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F-35 Scores Impressive 15:1 Kill Ratio at Red Flag War Games
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a25078/f-35-red-flag-war-games/ ^ | 2/7/2017 | Jay Bennett

Posted on 02/07/2017 4:23:27 PM PST by bkopto

Exercise Red Flag at Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada is considered one of the most realistic and challenging aviation warfare exercises, and pilots from this year's event say the Air Force's F-35A exceeded expectations by dominating the air space and improving the lethality of other legacy aircraft.

It's stellar performance is a major victory for a war plane that's been criticized for its high costs and plagued with several development setbacks.

Running from January 23 to February 10, this year's Red Flag involves more threats to pilots than ever before, including surface-to-air missiles (SAMs), radar jamming equipment, and an increased number of red air, or mock enemy aircraft.

Against the ramped-up threats, the F-35A only lost one aircraft for every 15 aggressors killed, according to Aviation Week.

The F-35 Lightning II's advanced avionics software was the star of the show, as multiple F-35s successfully compiled data into a detailed layout of the battlefield with each individual threat pinpointed.

The stealthy aircraft could then slip into weak spots in the defensive layout and take out SAM targets, opening up the space for follow-on forces of legacy fighters. Even when the F-35s ran out of munitions, F-22 and fourth-generation fighter pilots wanted the aircraft to remain in the combat zone, soaking up data and porting target info to the older fighters.

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This is the AF version - the F-35A
1 posted on 02/07/2017 4:23:27 PM PST by bkopto
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To: bkopto
If I were an F-35 pilot I think my head would explode from information overload. I mean, this is a ONE-SEATER, right? No nav/countermeasures/threats co-pilot?

And I much rather prefer a twin-engine fighter jet, not single engine.

2 posted on 02/07/2017 4:31:59 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing (im)
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To: bkopto

Of course, a Piper Cub could win, if the rules were properly drafted. So I don’t know that I’d read much into this one way or the other.


3 posted on 02/07/2017 4:33:44 PM PST by PAR35
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To: bkopto

We are just east of Eglin AFB. Last night 3 F35’s were flying very low circling continually the area. It was awesome watching these aircraft flying over. The 10 o’clock weatherman showed lots of radar images south of Panama City which he said was not weather but military related. He said it might be chaff. They returned in line about an hour and a half later.


4 posted on 02/07/2017 4:40:02 PM PST by Sasparilla ( I'm Not tired of Winning)
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To: PAR35

Agree ..... somebody is gun decking the numbers .... I pray its true that the F35 is just that good but truth ‘n trust in government contractor liars is a one on a scale of one to ten. Come a day we’ll be putting AIM-120 AMRRAM’s on a kite we will be so desperate for CAP domination ......


5 posted on 02/07/2017 4:40:59 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: bkopto

The F-35 won 15 one-on-one encounters. I wonder how well it would have done in a single 15-on-1 encounter. Particularly considering its limited internal missile capacity.


6 posted on 02/07/2017 4:41:35 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: CivilWarBrewing
If I were an F-35 pilot I think my head would explode from information overload. I mean, this is a ONE-SEATER, right? No nav/countermeasures/threats co-pilot?

It's been working in F-16s since 1977.

7 posted on 02/07/2017 4:44:00 PM PST by Yo-Yo ( Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: bkopto

Was this the mission directive? Or the result of a fair competition?


8 posted on 02/07/2017 4:44:58 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: CivilWarBrewing

As I often explain, it is data overload that gets pilots, not information overload. It is the mental gymnastics that it takes to turn data into information that is difficult to do while people are trying to kill you. Properly presented information takes less than a second to process. Putting the “big board” in the jet was my claim to the biggest force multiplier.


9 posted on 02/07/2017 4:45:06 PM PST by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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To: bkopto

https://www.dvidshub.net/news/222510/f-35a-proving-its-worth-red-flag-combat-exercise

Actually at Red Flag, the F-22’s did the air to air with the F-35’s being a bomb truck.

With just 2 JDAM’s in the internal storage...


10 posted on 02/07/2017 4:46:28 PM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: Revolutionary
I remember sitting in an F/A-18 cockpit back in the 80's, thinking WTF are all these display buttons for? LOL

I'm guessing a high degree of navigation/countermeasures prep/threat assessment, etc., is automated now?

11 posted on 02/07/2017 5:06:56 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing (im)
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To: Snickering Hound

The F-22 seems to not get discussed much. I know they had the OBOGS system problem that is now fixed.. After that, it seems to not get much face time. They’re not heading for the F-117 underground cemetery are they?


12 posted on 02/07/2017 5:09:00 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing (im)
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To: CivilWarBrewing
The sensory overload phenomenon you refer to is called a "helmet fire". In the "steam gauge" days, target acquisition, assessment and countermeasure was the job of the GIB. Keeping the target in sight, within the selected missile's lethal launch envelope and hitting the pickle switch was the pilot's job in addition to making sure the plane didn't fall out of the sky.

Sensory overload is caused by (multi-)sensory inputs saturating the reasoning centers of the brain. One major cause, in pilots, is that one of the dominant senses, sight, is blocked or distorted by the design of the cockpit and the brain tries to synthetically fill in the gaps. BTW it does in regular sight also, just not in such a dynamic environment. The HUD was the first step in recognizing how to lighten the load on a pilot. The F-15 and F-16 pretty much show that works really well.

The F-35 does it even better by allowing 3-D visualization of the battlefield to the pilot allowing him to see anything everywhere he looks. He also has visual cues overlaid on everything else in his field of vision including virtual switches. This facilitates activation of a countermeasure simply by touching a projected point in space rather than seeking a switch on a panel or HOTAS control.

The integrated man-machine allows decisions and actions to be executed to the situation rather than hardware location. These features unload the pilot's world rather than overload it.

For example, a pilot can see a target, identified by type and aspect of relative flight to his plane. He can touch the projected target and select, arm, lock on and launch a missile then leave it to it's own terminal guidance while he looks for the next bad guy.

13 posted on 02/07/2017 5:19:54 PM PST by pfflier
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To: bkopto
It's as much the skill of the pilot and their knowledge/experience with their aircraft. When testing a new ground based radar system (TPS-75) with a new radar command and control system (TYQ-23) I was monitoring the system from a maintenance console during a 2 V 2 ‘fur-ball’. 2 F-15’s from Eglin AFB up against 2 F-4’s from the ALANG. Problem was, the F-4’s were piloted by some old, crusty Viet Nam pilots. No contest. The F-4’s got onto the F-15’s and would constantly turn their weapons radar on and off just to annoy the F-15 pilots. Did that for about 30 minutes. It was amusing to hear it over the radio. Every time the Eagle drive would key his radio you could hear the threat warning in the background. There was some very humbled Eagle drivers. And the Phantom drivers looked old enough to be my grandfather.
14 posted on 02/07/2017 5:21:00 PM PST by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Sasparilla
Might as well be chaff for anyone chasing them.

Thanks for the info.

15 posted on 02/07/2017 5:22:03 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: bkopto

With so many dollars at stake, it is highly probable that the results were, er, gently massaged to fit the narrative.


16 posted on 02/07/2017 5:22:21 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: bkopto

Even when the F-35s ran out of munitions, F-22 and fourth-generation fighter pilots wanted the aircraft to remain in the combat zone, soaking up data and porting target info to the older fighters.

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The F-35 is going to be a great, though expensive, AWACS replacement.


17 posted on 02/07/2017 5:26:53 PM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Squantos
I pray its true that the F35 is just that good but truth ‘n trust in government contractor liars is a one on a scale of one to ten

Our perception of government contractors have been shaped mostly by the media and congress. Both institutions are rated with the lowest levels of credibility in the eyes of the public.

Think independently and do your own research and you may find there are other "truths" to be found.

18 posted on 02/07/2017 5:28:15 PM PST by pfflier
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To: pfflier

For example, a pilot can see a target, identified by type and aspect of relative flight to his plane. He can touch the projected target and select, arm, lock on and launch a missile then leave it to it’s own terminal guidance while he looks for the next bad guy.

...

That sounds cool. The next step is to do it with an unmanned aircraft for a lot less money.


19 posted on 02/07/2017 5:30:04 PM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Moonman62
That sounds cool. The next step is to do it with an unmanned aircraft for a lot less money.

That can be done theoretically but for now, the most powerful computer in a fighting jet is still the pilot.

20 posted on 02/07/2017 5:37:46 PM PST by pfflier
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