Posted on 01/14/2017 7:33:06 AM PST by mtrott
At the risk of getting flamed, 50mpg isn’t some impossible pie in the sky concept. There’s quite a few older vehicles that either achieved 50mpg or came very close to that. I had a Honda Accord I bought with just under 200,000 miles on it that got about 45mpg, and it was manufactured in about 1980. There were plenty of others too, such as the Civic and VW diesel Rabbit (off the top of my head). They were just run of the mill cars using technology that’s now 40 years old! Of course in today’s market it’s not so much the high mpg’s that hybrids get that’s the selling point as the holier-than-thou smug attitude club many hybrid owners are buying into.
50 mpg gasoline or diesel powered cars are easily doable for modern auto makers, but very few people, other than the “save Mama Erf” crowd, would spend the money on a hybrid while a standard gasoline powered car gets the same mileage.
The whole problem is Obama and the government MANDATING what auto makers should be producing, and then forcing those products upon us.
goldstategop wrote: “The impending REINS Act will allow Congress to overturn this rule. Obama thinks he’s being clever.”
He is being clever to this extent. When Trump moves to rescind these regulation will energize the MSM to publish story after story about Trump ruining the environment and being on the side of the oil and auto companies.
City MPG:
23 MPG (U.S.)10 L/100km10 km/liter28 MPG (Imperial)
Highway MPG:
28 MPG (U.S.)8 L/100km12 km/liter34 MPG (Imperial)
Combined MPG:
25 MPG (U.S.)9 L/100km11 km/liter30 MPG (Imperial)
I think you are off a wee bit on the MPG.
“As far as I’m concerned the move from leaded to unleaded ruined gas mileage and increased the price dramatically “
LOL!
My 475 hp car gets 27 mpg on the highway compared to the low teens on regular cars back in the 60’s!
Adjusted for inflation, gas prices are about where they were in the 60’s.
Obama's idea of an American car:
America before liberals like Al Gore...
Frankly, most of us couldn't see the need for such a beast. After running the dickens out of 1975 and 1976 gas-engine Rabbits, including the 26,000-mile C/D torture test (December 1975), we had a pretty close friendship with the car just as it was. The machine hasn't been invented yet that can beat its combination of fuel economy, acceleration and roominess. Substituting a Diesel motor for such an outstanding 78-horsepower gasoline engine seemed cruel and unusual punishment—like sending a kid sister to work the coal mines. But right here and now we'd like to confess we judged too soon. The Diesel Rabbit works, it is a success and you don't have to sacrifice your enthusiasm to like it.
The best way to grasp what the Dieselization of the Rabbit really means is to forget about what kind of fuel you have to pump in for a minute. The car costs extra—$170 Diesel system, plus $480 for a mandatory performance/comfort package—so it's not cheap. What you get for your money is fuel economy, about 50-percent more than a normal Rabbit, in fact. We measured 39.5 mpg (city) and 35.0 mpg (highway) in the C/D mileage test, numbers that provide graphic evidence of the Diesel's low- and mid-range economy. The second boon Dieselization brings is a longer service life for the engine: VW claims it will last twice as long as its gas engine based on endurance bench-test results. The third benefit is that maintenance requirements are slightly reduced.
They will find enforcement rather difficult to do...WITH NO F***** MONEY.
The Smart car sub-1 liter turbodiesel was getting over 70MPG in Europe. Americanized, it’s a piece of crap.
Cars today, because of continually increasing safety standards are heavier than in 1980. A 2000 Civic has a curb weight of 2359 pounds, while a 2016 has a curb weight of 2800 pounds and is rated at 35mpg, combined driving. Can you imagine getting a 2800 pound car to 50mpg?
They’ve already destroyed diesel engines with their insane Tier 4 standards, why not gas engines next.
“This is an easy one. Trump will crush the EPA like a bug. No bureaucracy has this kind of power over a President.”
They need to be PATCO’d. Reagan demonstrated early on that he wasn’t fooling around.
“As far as I’m concerned the move from leaded to unleaded ruined gas mileage and increased the price dramatically “
Getting rid of lead in gas was a good move. It was low-hanging fruit for the EPA. But that was 40 years ago and they are now wildly out of control.
Cement?
LOLOL! We’ll see how that goes...
Funny, I remember Obama demanding Bush start implementing HIS policies before he was sworn in...
That was not my citation.
” I had a Honda Accord I bought with just under 200,000 miles on it that got about 45mpg, and it was manufactured in about 1980. “
I got 50 mpg on the highway in mine cruising at 120 mph!
“I think you are off a wee bit on the MPG. “
MPG goes up 1 mpg per year of passing memory.
Top speed on the old muscle cars similarly.
>Here is my understanding of how it works. Congress passes a bill that, for example, all cars must get 50 miles per gallon by 2030. They assign the authority to write that law into regulations to the EPA (or other appropriate agency.) The EPA then generates a mountain of regulations that they feel will be needed to meet the intent of the law. Those regulations have the force of law. Violations of the law can be fined or involved prison terms, depending.
The federal bureaucracy long against stopped caring about the letter of the law and started creating regulations with no basis in law. For example the FDA has made using your own adult stem cells to illegal without a single law to cite. It’s greatly retarded the research and distribution of the biggest medical breakthrough of our age without any law backing it up.
I think President Trump could cure this bit of insanity by directing the GSA to only purchase passenger vehicles that conform to the EPA’s latest fantasy.
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