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Trump is right to consider canceling the F-35
americanthinker.com ^ | Ed Straker

Posted on 12/23/2016 5:32:33 AM PST by RoosterRedux

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To: RoosterRedux

Update the F-15. There has been a lot of effort to modernize the platform. No STOVL, but some stealth and a better A-A fighter.


61 posted on 12/23/2016 10:46:46 AM PST by doorgunner69
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Keep the M-16 for cooks and clerks and the Air Force,

That was what that little pipsqueak M1 Carbine was for.......

62 posted on 12/23/2016 10:51:41 AM PST by doorgunner69
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To: bert
5 three and four star generals

it takes real skill and talent like this to rip off the taxpayer that badly.

63 posted on 12/23/2016 11:22:15 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: vmivol00
those who develop long and short term military strategy for a livin

and who would that be. We don't have lots of marshalls or eisenhowers or MacArthur or Pattons or Nimitzs these days.

64 posted on 12/23/2016 11:26:35 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: datura

The F22 is not a carrier capable fighter

The only version of the F-35 that is problematic is is the B version that is VSTOL


65 posted on 12/23/2016 12:42:05 PM PST by Fai Mao (PIAPS for Prison 2016)
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To: PIF

Interesting. Thanks for the links. Had not realize the ‘restart’ idea had gotten so much traction.


66 posted on 12/23/2016 1:09:13 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Rustybucket

When you split up a team and send them to the four winds then brain drain happens. Yeah many are still around... but many aren’t. I work in the industry and know some that worked on that plane... but remember that was TWENTY years ago. The guys that were senior back then are gone. Fully Retired and some even dead by now. The guys that were middle of the pack, some are around but if they have not been doing aerospace in 15 years then you don’t want them back. Then young guys from then... yeah we are still around but we did not know the intimate details, the whys and what for’s of what was going on. We were just learning back then and the reasons for decisions weren’t obvious to us until later in our careers. I am nearly 40 and the F-22 development was before my time. I was just an intern when they were putting the finishing touches on the F-22 design. Anyone that was ‘senior’ then... well there aren’t many left and few would be willing to work on things.
Anyone that was my age in the mid-late 90s is by dad’s age now and he is retired from the industry now. Off doing other stuff. No intention to ever go back to a big aerospace company.

There is going to be a lot of rework when the start the line up again. Which isn’t all bad. The F-22 could use some updates. But shutting down production has consequences.


67 posted on 12/23/2016 1:17:12 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: GailA

I just retired from a 35 year career of Defense R&D, almost all of it working on DARPA projects. Early on, the promising projects that met our needs were developed. The past eight years has been work on useless crap. I kept my sanity by taking assignments upgrading proven Legacy systems.


68 posted on 12/23/2016 6:54:55 PM PST by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: PIF

I am in the industry and worked on this and many other military aircraft, those that speak to you, I note, are silent and not on these pages. They are incorrect. I live it every day.


69 posted on 12/25/2016 8:51:16 AM PST by Rustybucket
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To: TalonDJ

You seem to forget the phases of design/redesign of this and other legacy aircraft. What started 20 years ago, was a new challenge 10 years ago, and was supplemented with experience from the F-16 and F-35 at the same Lockheed facilities, people and specialties were shuttled between projects. It is an immature outlook to think these talents were somehow diluted by working on other projects (gone to the 4 winds) the exact opposite is true, Experience and exposure to new technologies coupled with experience from previous assignments create innovation and smoothing of the design experience. The reason the Japanese revere their old is because of the invaluable treasure they are to the young. It is a lesson we could all learn. In my experience, I work over and over with previous colleagues and it is old home week when we meet and for the most part a positive experience. This will prove itself out in the next 4 years, hopefully.


70 posted on 12/25/2016 8:57:28 AM PST by Rustybucket
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To: PJammers
Whatever they decide, the days of manned air combat aircraft are limited. Drones will be the next generation. Why waste trillions on obsolete technology?

I could see using a combination of manned and drones.

Current Predator technology has the drone being controlled via satellite link, but that option has finite bandwidth for visuals, plus is vulnerable to the satellites being destroyed in a conflict with a first-class adversary.

One thing I'd like to see is a UAV which could be controlled by a guy in a trailing aircraft, with the UAV pilot having a hi-definition panoramic view of what's going on, using an F-35 helmet

F-35 helmet display system

The manned aircraft flies far enough away to be out of range of hostile SAMs, but close enough that they can have a direct, high-bandwidth link offering the UAV pilot a high-def view of battle zone. Make the UAVs cheap enough that there can be a whole bunch of them, so the human pilot can switch control to another UAV if one gets shot down.

71 posted on 12/25/2016 9:19:15 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: PapaBear3625

We are in agreement. Merry Christmas FRiend!


72 posted on 12/25/2016 3:27:26 PM PST by PJammers (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: PJammers

And a Merry Christmas to you as well!


73 posted on 12/25/2016 5:09:40 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Big government is attractive to those who think that THEY will be in control of it.)
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To: RoosterRedux
Just think: if one F-35 crashes, we have lost nearly $200 million

The money is insignificant compared to the time and expense for replacements lost to enemy action.

These miracles of technology are too important to go into combat - and hence are useless, actually worse than useless.

74 posted on 12/25/2016 5:12:40 PM PST by Jim Noble (Die Gedanken sind Frei)
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