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Trump is right to consider canceling the F-35
americanthinker.com ^ | Ed Straker

Posted on 12/23/2016 5:32:33 AM PST by RoosterRedux

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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord

Even the M-16, which has been in service for 50 years or so, longer than any other U.S. military rifle.


21 posted on 12/23/2016 6:41:47 AM PST by catman67 (14 gauge?)
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To: mad_as_he$$

The F-22 is superior to any competitor in the air or in pre-production. However, the only way resuming F-22 production makes sense is to allow its export. The initial reason for not doing so may have made sense at the time, but the stealth cat is now out of the bag so technology transfer is no longer an issue.


22 posted on 12/23/2016 6:42:34 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: RoosterRedux

Genius - I consider Trumps response about the F35 and F18 Super Hornet the same thing we do at the car dealer. Did not like how things were going at the Porsche dealer, so we tell the guy we are going to take a walk over to Audi and see what they say. Classic negotiation, always keep at least 2 things on the table. The Govt has never worked like this, winning


23 posted on 12/23/2016 6:43:17 AM PST by Jimmy The Snake
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To: GailA

Don’t get me started on the DDG 1000 program! LCS stands for “little crappy ship”. The USS ZUMWALT doesn’t have a functioning weapon system, and won’t for at least a couple of years, if then. The JUWL weapons system is way behind schedule and way over budget. Our tax dollars would be much better spent upgrading the DDG’s currently in the fleet.


24 posted on 12/23/2016 6:47:57 AM PST by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: catman67

Let us not forget the venerable M-14 which was brought back into service for Afghanistan, and is used as a designated marksman rifle at platoon level.

It seems that the M-4 and the M-16 didn’t have the range needed, and even if the troop could hit a target with the M-16, he couldn’t be sure of a kill at that range.


25 posted on 12/23/2016 6:50:36 AM PST by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord

Don’t badmouth the Beretta, it makes a great club.


26 posted on 12/23/2016 6:51:02 AM PST by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: datura

The F-22: They could but it would not be fun. There were several articles which appeared here and elsewhere on the subject.

While the tooling and dies are thought to still exist and all the steps necessary to make another assembly line were videotaped, the skills needed to make it happen are found only with people now in retirement homes at best.

You would have to retrain an entire workforce. The result would take many years and be very expensive, let alone the costs of producing an actual plane.

China’s J-20 (the supposed F-22 clone) would be an operational antique by then.

Who knows about the A-10.


27 posted on 12/23/2016 7:07:57 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: RayChuang88

Maybe we need an updated version of this plane, from the ground up?


28 posted on 12/23/2016 7:10:02 AM PST by wicked99
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To: Calvinist_Dark_Lord
The M-16 was adopted because if was automatic and easy to use. In the days of a draftee force, when DI's had to pretend to make soldiers out of sad sacks like Gersh Kuntzman, it made sense. The M-14 is a superior infantry weapon, at ranges greater than 100 meters, in the hands of a motivated and well trained troops.

Keep the M-16 for cooks and clerks and the Air Force, but give the war fighters, Marines and Infantry, a real military rifle.

29 posted on 12/23/2016 7:19:23 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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To: wjcsux

I doubt it will ever be a real functional ship. Look at the design, no room for more than 1 Chopper, and a few gun turrets, rest is below deck. Ammo is still to expensive. A complete FUBAR. That is Hubby’s term for the Zimwalt. We are on the same page on these FUBARS.

Destroyers, subs and Carriers are still what the Navy needs. And some smaller heavily armed patrol escort mid sized ships.

Another place to save money is in forcing bases not to remodel or install crap not needed. And use Military as base Security instead of Rent a Cops. Kick the brass out of housing, let the married lower enlisted have it, Brass can afford rentals or buying a house.

When they needlessly remolded our Exchange, that just needed a roof replacement, they made it less user friendly, and did NOT remodel the Pharmacy for handicapped use. It is still Active Duty friendly. When the DOD MANDATED in 2014 made permanent in 2015 all Tricare Life use the Base Pharmacy for daily meds it created a handicapped issue that has not been addressed. The pharmacy is not large enough for wheel chairs or electric wheel chairs, even people on walkers have a hard time using the facility. We are NOT A PENSACOLA sized base. BUPERS, paper pushers, inland. We went from a Training base to BUPERS, lost the medical and hospital, airport sold to the city, but retains the right of use. We did gain a ton of high level Brass, where before we had 2 high level ones.

I’m the wife of a 20 yr career Ret. SCPO who is now 76, Express Scripts is NOT to be trusted. Fraud, no ID Sign for for meds, we get our neighbors as Post Office seems to have a reading addresses issue. Never let them auto withdraw from your bank, credit or debit cards. Write a check. Then you have the issue of Doctors not understanding how to write for Military Formulary or DOD Regs.


30 posted on 12/23/2016 7:23:56 AM PST by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: Merry CHRISTmas, Happy Birthday JESUS CHRIST, suck it up buttercup you lost)
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To: freedumb2003

The SR-71 was 1950’s technology. Itso mission was mostly replaced by satellites and U2/TR1. Additionally, most modern aircraft are equipped with IRAN for after action reports, not to mention drones for real time recon.


31 posted on 12/23/2016 7:45:43 AM PST by PJammers (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: freedumb2003

The SR-71 was 1950’s technology. Itso mission was mostly replaced by satellites and U2/TR1. Additionally, most modern aircraft are equipped with IRAN for after action reports, not to mention drones for real time recon.


32 posted on 12/23/2016 7:45:43 AM PST by PJammers (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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I might even argue that the Marines don’t need a replacement for the Harrier, and might go even further and state that the Marines don’t even need their own aircraft. They’re part of the Navy, let the Navy take care of the flying.


33 posted on 12/23/2016 7:48:42 AM PST by rivercat
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To: PJammers

Not sure why that posted twice. “IRAN” should read “IR”.


34 posted on 12/23/2016 7:51:50 AM PST by PJammers (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: PJammers

>>The SR-71 was 1950’s technology.<<

Yet, never bested. Those were the heady days when we could actually DO STUFF.

Now it takes 20 years to get a small fundamental incremental improvement.


35 posted on 12/23/2016 7:52:07 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Merry Christmas -- God bless us, every one)
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To: RoosterRedux

Trump was being interviewed by hannity earlier this year and was concerned about the reports that said the pilots said it didn’t handle as well as other fighter jets


36 posted on 12/23/2016 7:55:11 AM PST by BigEdLB (To Dimwitocrats: We won. You lost. Get used to it.)
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To: mazda77

I know the V-22 is carrier capable and it has VTOL/VSTOL capabilities, not sure if it could provide rapid close air support like the Harrier. They may be able to make it a mini AC-130. The problem is the Marines and other NATO nations use ships specifically designed for “jump jets” .


37 posted on 12/23/2016 8:00:04 AM PST by PJammers (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: rivercat

The Marines operate ground assault ships that have a mix of aircraft and ground assault watercraft. These ships were designed to be equipped with VSTOL aircraft.


38 posted on 12/23/2016 8:03:48 AM PST by PJammers (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: datura

The F22 would need a new avionics package that would give it networking ability like the F35.


39 posted on 12/23/2016 8:04:15 AM PST by ebshumidors
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To: riverdawg

The F-35’s “god’s eye” has made everything without it obsolete.


40 posted on 12/23/2016 8:11:28 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("It's a war against humanity!" Donald J. Trump)
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