Posted on 12/06/2016 9:10:00 AM PST by GonzoII
They also really don’t like the idea of any kind of tariff. But that isn’t cronyism since it applies to every company that outsources, not just Carrier
Oh Boy, here we go...
Pence said, that he personally was trying to get Carrier to stay in Indiana as early as last February. He made offers to him, as governor. They said NO. We’re going.
He went on to say, that Trump simply called him. Said, can I get you to stay. Offered nothing other than to stick it out, as he will be lowering regs and taxes.
IOWs, Sarah Palin and others shot her mouth, assuming that Trump made some kind of sweet @ss deal, just so he could say Carrier is staying.
Or maybe she was nipping a potential problem in the bud.
I guess after 8 years of complaining about Obola surrounding himself with ass-kissers who applaud him for picking winners and losers, now we are going to turn a blind eye to when Trump surrounds himself with ass-kissers who applaud him when he picks winners and losers.
Have at it.
You are completely and totally wrong. there is not a hint of a notion of a thought of a clue of a fact in your assertion. You are not not misunderstood, you are not just mistaken, you are complete clueless on this topic.
It is utterly amusing to me to see supposed “Libertarians” and self styled “True Conservatives” busy mouthing the Marxist economic dogma that all economic output is property of the State and any time the state takes less it is a “Government subsidy”.
That is the base for this absurd “crony capitalism” argument. This dogma that any reduction in government taxation MUST be “paid for” by increased taxation on others is utterly absurd nonsense completely at odds with our system of Government.
No you foolish children. In our system, the State is granted revenues by the people as a collective good. It is their property granted TO the Government not vice versa. It is up to the voters in IN to render the judgment on their Representatives at the voting booth if this was a wise move or a foolish move for the them to reduce tax burdens on Carrier in exchange for the sociatial good of keeping the 1100 jobs.
The other glaring error in this absurd argument is the assumption that the economy is a zero sum game. Thus a reduction here means an addition in taxes there. NO children it does not.
The Five on Fox ran the numbers. By keeping the 1100 jobs the State gets a net gain of $2.5 million in taxes from the 1100 jobs maintained. In addition, the State does NOT have to pay out mandated retraining, unemployment and welfare costs of having 1100 productive highly paid workers taken out of the the work force. The economy is a dynamic force not static as you try to make it be in your “Crony Capitalism” argument.
The final lesson here is, again, we see the reason the “Movement Conservatives” have been the least effective political force in US History.
Letting people keep their OWN money rather then taxing it way from them is GOOD. It is the heart of Conservatism.
We are not going to undo 100 years of creeping socialism by stamping out feet and holding our breath demanding ideologically perfect political dogmas. Yet here we go again with the usual “Movement Conservatives” trying desperately to spin a win as a defeat because it does NOT fit their ivory tower dogmatically pure political fantasies.
That mindset is EXACTLY why “Movement Conservatives” have been the most political ineffective group in US History. They all are so busy whining about everything not being dogmatically ideologically perfect they have accomplished nothing politically since 1980.
Rather the cling to these day dreams of some mythical perfectly ideologically pure fantasy land, it time Movement Conservatives learn to live in the REAL world of poltical incrementalism rather then their ideologically pristine ineffective bubble world.
I'lll spend it holding his feet to the fire.
So we should just accept the current socialist state of affairs and play under the new "rules"? Is Trump a change candidate or a "now it's our turn" candidate?
Yet here we go again with the usual “Movement Conservatives” trying desperately to spin a win as a defeat because it does NOT fit their ivory tower dogmatically pure political fantasies.
But, the "fantasy" is what we had before socialism, meaning it's an achievable reality. That's what we'd like to get back to.
I think ALL recognize that keeping the Carrier jobs is good, but if you can't handle ANY criticism of how it's done (and that's all it is), it'd be you that are the purist.
Criticizing Trump doesn't mean he's been abandoned. Every reasonable person recognizes that there is no perfect candidate. Demanding a lack of criticism implies he is.
Curious if any of you “Movement Conservative” can comprehend the difference between cutting someone future taxes (i.e. Carrier) and taking money out of the Federal Treasury to make grants and loads to a crony (i.e. GM or Solyndra)?
What jobs has Obola saved? Hijab seamstresses?
From Rush yesterday: "Yeah, and both philosophically and theoretically you could make the same argument that Trump is pulling the same scam as Obama, except for one thing. You know what this actually reminds me of, if this happens? Three initials: FDR. Let's just play a little game here. Let's pretend that Trump actually does follow through on his plan to rebuild airports and schools and roads and bridges. It's exactly what happened in the 1930s.
We built -- ready for this? -- in a span of five to seven years, we built the Golden Gate Bridge, we built the Bay Bridge connecting Oakland to San Francisco, and the Hoover Dam, in the Depression. That money actually produced things. There were actual results from it, which created tax paying jobs, which created tax-creating incentives, expanded the tax base, and increased productivity by enabling people in California to get to and from a massive number of new jobs much sooner and easier with those bridges. "
It’s sad that Palin is damaged goods. It’s like Andrew Breitbart said, no one in the Establishment stood up for her.
Curious if any of you “Movement Conservative” or “Libertarians”can comprehend the difference between cutting someone future taxes (i.e. Carrier) and taking money out of the Federal Treasury to make grants and loads to a crony (i.e. GM, Fisker or Solyndra)?
But that right, you are still locked in your zero sum fallacy. Still blindly regurgitating this bit of ignorant idiocy about “crony capitalism” “costing the taxpayers of Indiana more taxes”.
You might have a point if there were any intellectual or factualmerit to the argument being advanced against Trump. But, sad for you, there isn’t any intellectual merit to the argument on your side. It has no rational, ideological, economic or factual base.
Instead what this is is a continuation of the daily attempt by #Never Trumpers to manufacture fraudulent excuses to whine about Trump.
This is an argument based on poltical petulance and economic ignorance trying to cloak itself in a fake gloss of poltical principal. It has no actual ideological or economic merit as I pointed out in my 1st post
You know, your post has to be one of the most excessively STUPID posting every posted here. In a board with such a long rich history, that is a MAJOR accomplishment.
Your post is ultra, completely mega stupid. We will have to come up with a whole new classification of stupid to adequately address your level of idiocy. World Record Stupid! Rock hard dehydrated stupid! Lifetime Achievement Stupid! So stupid it MUST be a lost fragment of the primordial soup from with all imbeciles since have sprung. It sets a whole new standard by which stupidity will be judged from now on!
Quick, call the Nobel Committee. We have to establish a whole new Nobel Prize for World Record Stupidity just so this poster can be award it!!!
I applaud your courage. Most people attempt to hide their moronic natures but not YOU. NO, you FLAUNT your morondom. You proudly cruise the Internet squealing “I AM THE WORLDS LARGEST IDIOT”. I must say I have NEVER seen anyone so willing to make peace with a painful personal truth as you have embraced your imbecility. Well done brave soul!
If it wasn't for us Deplorables, Trump wouldn't even have won the Presidency in the first place.
We didn't vote for him to cut sweetheart deals with one business or another. We voted for him to level the playing field for ALL businesses.
If Carrier couldn't wait until after he was inaugurated to decide whether or not they should move, so be it.
I, for one, am not going to sit idly by while business-as-usual takes root in Trump's Presidency.
I saw where regulations include the Holidays you offer to you employees?
I knew it! Gee, big surprise...
Thanks for the update.
Hmmmm. Lots of words but no explanation as to how cutting a sweetheart deal for one company while excluding others can be considered anything other than cronyism.
That’s it! Ride your stupidity for all it is worth! Revel in your moronness! Some people rise to greatness but not you! No YOU have chosen a more difficult path, you have chosen to sink to the lowest possible level of idiocy it is possible to reach and STILL be able to operate a computer! Way to flaunt your single digit IQ!!!!! BRAVO! Encore!!!!!
Your command of capitalizations and exclamation points is impressive but those are no substitute for explaining how cutting one business’s future taxes and not others’ can be considered anything but cronyism.
Only if every other business in Indiana produces air conditioners... IT was the State of Indiana, that 'made' the deal to keep Carrier in their state. Typically the politician receives a donation before the politician cronies our capital.
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