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Is This The Democrats' Real Strategy In Launching Recounts?
Zero Hedge ^ | 11-27-2016 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 11/27/2016 7:47:31 PM PST by blam

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To: blam

“Moreover, even if Trump/Pence are chosen, the whole process of being appointed by Congress, combined with a loss of the popular vote, would then cast a dark shadow over their administration.”

I doubt this theory. Since the recounts once they’re eventually completed would still show Trump ahead given his margin of victory in these states, the public would give this a big yawn. Congress appointing Trump the winner would be seen as justified by his winning the recount.


21 posted on 11/27/2016 8:12:42 PM PST by ScottfromNJ
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To: MtnClimber

Actually, the law says a majority of EC votes cast.

Another poster on another thread deleted the 10 EC votes of WI, and Trump still wins a majority. Deleting PA and MI and recomputing the majority still has Trump winning.

The House of Representatives votes when ‘conflicting’ sets of EC votes are submitted.

My take is Soros’ IT people screwed up somehow and Stein is there to find out how it happened.

Soros’ IT Group controls the IP software for most of the electronic voting machines and election systems including GEMS inside the United States. I was posting feverishly about the threat his IT people posed and was relieved to see they couldn’t pull it off.

Background on Soros and elections is that he once owned Smartmatic which manufactured the infamous Diebold machines. He sold recently Smartmatic to Dominion which is even larger in the electronic voting machine space. Both Smartmatic and Dominion are large donors to Clinton.

But here’s the kicker. Soros runs a hedge fund out of a tax haven in the Caribbean that has a large trading group with lots of IT people. When Soros sold Smartmatic to Dominion, the deal was that Soros’ IT people would retain and control all of the IP for the machines and systems, meaning the software.

The pertinent question is why the hell this guy is allowed to have any access to US voting systems?

From my research, the election officials don’t know what they are dealing with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t75xvZ3osFg

So my take is Stein is there to find out what happened to the planned Soros steal for Clinton.


22 posted on 11/27/2016 8:15:02 PM PST by Hostage (Article V)
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To: blam

Anytime the Democrates do something that makes no sense. Its usually a distraction to either shift or gain public attention. Pizza is a trending topic right now!


23 posted on 11/27/2016 8:16:53 PM PST by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: aimhigh

I beli be there aren’t enough D state legislators to deny a quorum. And it would be rotten for the D national party, it would completely delegitimize the entire operation politically anyway.


24 posted on 11/27/2016 8:21:59 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born. They're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero. $500for an appraisal of gen on)
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To: chris37

Wars have been started for far less. If this election is hijacked by the entrenched political class that runs both parties a revolution will ensue.


25 posted on 11/27/2016 8:22:14 PM PST by WRhine (Truth is Treason in an Empire of Lies)
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To: Hostage

That is also plausible. But, why did Stein run and mainly take votes from Hillary?


26 posted on 11/27/2016 8:25:04 PM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: blam

Who give a flying fig?

They are lying and purposely distorting the numbers.

2,279,543 DJT

2,268,839 HRC

10,704 The vote Difference....right? Well, heck to the NO!!!

172,136 G Johnson

51,463 J. Stein

Hey, what happens when you count the votes from the other candidates?

Well you get: 10,704 + 172,136 + 51,463 = Wait for it!!!.....Uhm...The real vote difference is...234,303!!!

That’s right, yuh pathetic losers. There is total vote difference of 234,303 That were NOT CAST for Hillary.

There is no way to overcome that Yuge number and there is no cause for a recount.

Now go away.

Besides, I think you’ve already missed a deadline or two and this news cycle is now stale


27 posted on 11/27/2016 8:25:33 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through you're anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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To: blam
Moreover, even if Trump/Pence are chosen, the whole process of being appointed by Congress, combined with a loss of the popular vote, would then cast a dark shadow over their administration.

I don't think so. I think it's the Democrats who would suffer politically because of Hillary's involvement and the resulting public outrage.

It would be one thing if there were a recount showing a problem with the votes. But absent that because of failure to complete the recount, there would be no plausible claim that Trump/Pence weren't the true winners of the election and all the electoral votes -- even those disqualified due to missing the recount deadline.

I think that the resulting public perception would be that Hillary, the Democrats and George Soros saught to create confusion for no valid reason and with no cause.

I think therefore that what's left of the Democrat Party would suffer greatly in the 2018 election and beyond due to public outrage and Democrat voter discouragement.

28 posted on 11/27/2016 8:25:53 PM PST by Maceman (Screw the Party. Save the Country.)
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To: 1066AD

See https://twitter.com/brian_was_here_


29 posted on 11/27/2016 8:26:23 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: blam
Of course, if this theory is even partially true then it's extremely disturbing on a variety of levels. That a person with absolutely no standing. in terms of personal damages, and no presentation of credible evidence of wrongdoing could unilaterally disrupt a presidential election is not only a failure of Stein's personal character but it's a failure of our election rules and procedures that such reckless behavior would be permitted.

What's appalling is that if this succeeds, it shows that ONE person with enough money has the ability to throw the whole nation into chaos.

30 posted on 11/27/2016 8:27:28 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Principled

I thought Michigan had already recounted?


31 posted on 11/27/2016 8:28:08 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: blam

Michigan already had all counties recount their votes. They HAVE been recounted. They need to tell Stein the votes were already recounted a second time. Trump still won.


32 posted on 11/27/2016 8:28:25 PM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Hostage

That’s an interesting theory.


33 posted on 11/27/2016 8:30:37 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Hostage
I'm trying to remember where I read or saw this, but I think it was Steve Pieczenik...who said that when the vote count halted for over an hour on election night/morning was when the intelligence spooks saw that the machines were starting to do their "voodoo" to turn WI, PA and MI to Hillary. That they called up the 7th floor State Dept/Shadow Govt and told them "Stop it right now or we will literally send a missile right there where you are sitting."

Yeah, it's conspiracy stuff, but how interesting those are the 3 states that Hillary wants to get her paws on.

34 posted on 11/27/2016 8:31:14 PM PST by ponygirl (An Appeal to Heaven.)
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To: blam

this is nothing more than an investment in the future the same way a college degree is an investment.

They KNOW they aren’t going to change the results. Trump will be sworn in. BUT, what better way to collect vast amounts of money and power agitation to the tune of “ILLEGITIMATE INSTALLED PRESIDENT.” They did it for 8 years with Bush. But this time they have shock troops (black bloc anarchists), foot soldiers (BLM), and useful cannon fodder (snowflake crybullies), led by extremely wealthy “community organizers.” Democrats dare not accept the reults and be the loyal opposition. They need the people angry and the coffers filled. How much is Obama going to make with 8 years of riots and agitation? BILLIONS!


35 posted on 11/27/2016 8:31:49 PM PST by Organic Panic (Gentrification in America. Rich White Man Evicts Poor Black Family - MSNBCPBSCNNNYTABC)
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To: blam

Stein got less than 1% of the vote and no electoral votes, they should tell her she has no standing and to go pound sand.
She has no shot at winning anything, ever.


36 posted on 11/27/2016 8:53:27 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam , Know Peace)
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To: blam

all of the above?


37 posted on 11/27/2016 9:10:10 PM PST by max americana (For the 9th time FIRED LIBERALS from our company at this election, and every election since 2008)
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To: ponygirl

Maybe the fix was in, and Hillary wants to find the phony votes. Criminals always return to the scene of the crime, as they used to say on TV shows.


38 posted on 11/27/2016 9:11:19 PM PST by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them.)
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To: blam

The possible reason:

“One theory is that Stein is simply hoping to disrupt the electoral college process to push the 2016 election into the hands Congress while drawing the legitimacy of Trump’s presidency into question.

As Edward Foley, an expert in election law at Moritz College of Law at Ohio State University, pointed out to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, electors from around the country have to meet by December 19th to cast their electoral college votes. To the extent recounts in WI, MI and PA have not been completed by that time, which experts assign a high probability that they will not, there is a chance that the electoral votes from those three states wouldn’t be counted leaving neither candidate with the required electoral votes to win the presidency (electoral count would be Trump 260 versus Hillary 232).

If the electoral college process fails to select a President then the election would be left in the hands of Congress to decide. Given that the Senate and House are both controlled by Republicans, in theory they would then choose Trump/Pence, though in this election cycle nothing is a certainty. Moreover, even if Trump/Pence are chosen, the whole process of being appointed by Congress, combined with a loss of the popular vote, would then cast a dark shadow over their administration.

Wisconsin’s recount will likely begin late next week, once the state has tallied a cost estimate and received payment from Stein’s campaign, said Michael Haas, administrator of the Wisconsin Elections Commission.

Political scientist Barry Burden, the director of the Elections Research Center at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, said it would be extremely difficult to complete the recount on time.

“You may potentially have the state electoral votes at stake if it doesn’t get done by then,” said Haas.

A lawyer with Stein’s campaign has said it wants the recount done by hand. That would take longer and require a judge’s order, Haas said.

Perhaps the most important deadline is Dec. 19, when electors around the country must meet to cast their Electoral College votes, said Edward Foley, an expert in election law at Moritz College of Law at Ohio State University.

“That is a hard deadline and if a state were to miss that deadline, it would be technically in jeopardy of not having its electoral votes counted,” he said.

Of course, if this theory is even partially true then it’s extremely disturbing on a variety of levels. That a person with absolutely no standing. in terms of personal damages, and no presentation of credible evidence of wrongdoing could unilaterally disrupt a presidential election is not only a failure of Stein’s personal character but it’s a failure of our election rules and procedures that such reckless behavior would be permitted.”


39 posted on 11/27/2016 9:19:48 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: Hostage; LucyT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3498984/posts?page=22#22

Thanks hostage for this info; ping to you, lucyt!


40 posted on 11/27/2016 9:22:37 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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