[C19fan]

including American Virginia class nuclear fast attack boats

And I have a bridge to sell you. The only reason Ivan could have detected a Virginia class is because the sub wanted to be detected.

[lynn4303]

They surely didn’t detect it...they just know it is there somewhere.

[Travis McGee]

That kind of smug certainty leads to disasters like Pearl Harbor and the Fall of Singapore.

In another generation it was “Those little cross-eyed Jap bastards can only make cheap tin toys.”