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In Arizona, Parents Could Go to Jail for Changing Their Kids' Diapers
reason.com ^
| Sep. 19, 2016 1:00 pm
| Lenore Skenazy
Posted on 10/03/2016 9:39:22 AM PDT by COBOL2Java
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To: COBOL2Java
The courts are just plainly insane
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posted on
10/03/2016 9:40:50 AM PDT
by
Nifster
(Ignore all polls. Get Out The Vote)
To: COBOL2Java
I’d really have to see the wording of the actual law before I’d swallow this particular hook.
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posted on
10/03/2016 9:41:20 AM PDT
by
Mr. Douglas
(Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
To: COBOL2Java
I’m not sure if this is an “I’m Spartacus!” moment or an opportunity for the Dr. Floyd Ferris quote from “Atlas Shrugged”.
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posted on
10/03/2016 9:41:38 AM PDT
by
ClearCase_guy
(Abortion is what slavery was: immoral but not illegal. Not yet.)
To: Mr. Douglas
Id really have to see the wording of the actual law before Id swallow this particular hook. Did you click on the link? The story includes a link to State vs. Holle. You can see for yourself.
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posted on
10/03/2016 9:43:11 AM PDT
by
COBOL2Java
(Hillary's screeching voice is like the pipe organs of hell)
To: COBOL2Java
Somehow I doubt a jury would convict anyone over changing diapers.
But a real loon can sic CPS on anyone for it and make their lives a real cluster.
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posted on
10/03/2016 9:47:08 AM PDT
by
VanDeKoik
To: COBOL2Java
“...if defendants can prove that they were “not motivated by sexual interest,” then they can avoid being deemed sex offenders. But this places the burden of proof on the accused to prove their innocence, not the state to prove their guilt. The state no longer has to demonstrate that the contact was non-sexualthe accused party has to prove that.”
Boom. That makes it unconstitutional.
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posted on
10/03/2016 9:48:28 AM PDT
by
Mr. Douglas
(Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
To: VanDeKoik
As the article says, going to court is not the big fear...
“...90 percent of all cases never go to trial and are determined by plea bargain, this gives prosecutors a giant scythe to dangle over any citizen: Are you going to go to court to prove you’re not a sex offender? Or are you going to take a plea?”
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posted on
10/03/2016 9:49:13 AM PDT
by
TigersEye
(~Questionable Hillary thinks Putin made me post this!~)
To: Mr. Douglas
Boom. That makes it unconstitutional.Now all we have to do is find a government that cares what is or isn't Constitutional.
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posted on
10/03/2016 9:51:04 AM PDT
by
TigersEye
(~Questionable Hillary thinks Putin made me post this!~)
To: TigersEye
My take is that, though this is somewhat disturbing, it’s a bit like being on the Titanic and breaking a nail.
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posted on
10/03/2016 9:52:30 AM PDT
by
Mr. Douglas
(Today is your life. What are you going to do with it?)
To: COBOL2Java
So the poor kid is going to get nasty diaper rash because no one can apply Desitin? Insanity doesn’t cover it.
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posted on
10/03/2016 9:54:07 AM PDT
by
madison10
(Proud to be a Deplorable)
To: COBOL2Java
What utter legal nonsense and heresy.
The SCOAZ decision reaches no further than the parties involved and any other case with the same facts and questions of law.
WHY DO PEOPLE CONTINUALLY WANT TO GIVE THE COURTS LEGISLATIVE POWER??? The power of the courts is limited to INDIVIDUAL CASES AND CONTROVERSIES.
This decision does NOT create statewide law!!!
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posted on
10/03/2016 9:56:04 AM PDT
by
Jim W N
To: Mr. Douglas
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posted on
10/03/2016 9:57:57 AM PDT
by
TigersEye
(~Questionable Hillary thinks Putin made me post this!~)
To: TigersEye
...90 percent of all cases never go to trial and are determined by plea bargain, this gives prosecutors a giant scythe to dangle over any citizen: Are you going to go to court to prove youre not a sex offender? Or are you going to take a plea? Then, the defense attorney will tell the young couple "Just take plea bargain; it's the easiest way out."
Everything's fine until years later, when Dad finds out he's a registered sex offender.
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posted on
10/03/2016 9:58:36 AM PDT
by
COBOL2Java
(Hillary's screeching voice is like the pipe organs of hell)
To: Nifster
hehehehehe!!!! Take the dirty diaper wearing kid to the court room, after a whiff while you’ll be told to change it. Then do it right on the Judges Bench hehehehehehehe!!!!!
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posted on
10/03/2016 9:59:49 AM PDT
by
SandRat
( (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?))
To: COBOL2Java
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posted on
10/03/2016 10:02:06 AM PDT
by
TigersEye
(~Questionable Hillary thinks Putin made me post this!~)
To: VanDeKoik
The accusation could be made by a vindictive ex-spouse (imagine a bitter child custody conflict) or a rebellious older child (imagine defiant teen.) There's no end to malice such people could inflict, with such a vague law. "My dad touched my little sister!"
As the article notes, it will be of most use to prosecutors as a threat: you plead guilty to A or we haul you into court for B. Proscutorial discretion + ambiguous law = no end of hellish tyranny.
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posted on
10/03/2016 10:04:37 AM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
("What people will submit to, is the exact measure of the injustice which will be imposed upon them.")
To: COBOL2Java
-—The Arizona law that triggered this decision deliberately keeps the tripwires vague. And the state Supreme Court had no problem with that, relying on what it believes will be the impeccable restraint of all prosecutors throughout the state:——
Ok...that made me chuckle...
Prosecutors restraint... LOL...
Tell that to the 100,000’s overcharged or innocently railroaded that have been jailed...
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posted on
10/03/2016 10:06:40 AM PDT
by
Popman
To: COBOL2Java
Another reason for men to dodge the baby trap.
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posted on
10/03/2016 10:14:56 AM PDT
by
Bryanw92
(If we had some ham, we could have ham and eggs, if we had some eggs.)
To: Nifster
You obviously did not read the decision...
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