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Hoboken Crash: New Jersey Transit Train Didn't Have Positive Train Control
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Posted on 09/29/2016 9:04:32 AM PDT by bryan999

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To: outpostinmass2

What I mean is, that if sick, he could hold the button even when it was not appropriate.


61 posted on 09/29/2016 10:04:45 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: bk1000

It sounds almost like an ADVISORY system if there is training involved. Actual PTC means the train simply won’t go over the programmed speed limit, or in some cases simply won’t go at all, unless the train knows through the PTC system that it is okay to proceed or go that fast.

No okay to proceed, the train refuses, no matter what the engineer tries to do.


62 posted on 09/29/2016 10:09:00 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; BikerJoe; JenB

It is pretty strange that NJ transit had this sort of system (apparently since 2002?) and that train did not have the gear and ‘no one was trained’. Of course that is long enough that perhaps they phased it out as obsolete and then did not replace it? Still strange.


63 posted on 09/29/2016 10:09:16 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: samtheman

Somebody upstairs was looking out for you. Glad you’re okay. Thank you Lord.


64 posted on 09/29/2016 10:10:43 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: bryan999

I go with something worse than dereliction. Worse is precisely what we are seeing nation wide on a daily basis. Somewhere in the twisted wreckage is a twisted jihadist.


65 posted on 09/29/2016 10:11:06 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Stop the Left and save the world.)
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To: A_Former_Democrat
Damn, that’s a helluva commute, depending on where one is coming from

Not really for those working in NYC, Manhattan in particular. Express busses, Metro-North, LIRR, ferries, often to link up to subway or surface transit (city busses) and extended walks are the way people get to and from work in NYC. Even once in the subway system, transfering between lines to reach different areas within one county or different counties is part and parcel of life in Fun City.

66 posted on 09/29/2016 10:12:21 AM PDT by Roccus (When you talk to a politician...ANY politician...always say, "Remember Ceausescu")
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To: A_Former_Democrat
Prior to the opening of the Hudson Tubes (now PATH) in 1908, there were no tunnels under the Hudson River and all rail lines terminated in New Jersey until 1910 with the opening of Pennsylvania Station.

Ferries were the only transportation into Manhattan from the west for 400 years.

67 posted on 09/29/2016 10:13:14 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: ncfool

I live in Rome, NY. Utica is a hazardous waste, Rome runs a close second. Cuomo is spending 8.5 million on a new roundabout within the old Griffiss Air Force Base in Rome. There’s a business park there now, but for the life of me, I don’t see why there needs to be a roundabout. Sounds like pork barrel spending to me.


68 posted on 09/29/2016 10:15:05 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: TalonDJ

Nobody was trained... that sounds kind of odd to me, but again I am only familiar with one PTC system and that’s the one being rolled out now.

I haven’t looked at the train side of the system, but if it really IS set up so that PTC needs the engineer’s permission to work, then I would wonder what’s the point.


69 posted on 09/29/2016 10:15:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Agreed.

How come other trains and instances of this one have been just fine?


70 posted on 09/29/2016 10:17:26 AM PDT by combat_boots (MSM: We lie to you sheep at the slaughterhouse to keep you calm during slaughter)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Why are they not talking about the ENGINEER? something sounds very strange that they are not reporting on his condition. Just watching a TV broadcast and one lady said she was praying it was a medical condition and nothing more?

I would think they know by know if he was deceased or if there was something more?

Do you think they had cameras in his cabin? I would think so. Hopefully we get answers.


71 posted on 09/29/2016 10:18:33 AM PDT by ncfool ( We are in the United Socialist State of aMeriKa. The USSA. Sheeple of aMeriKa follow hil-LIAR-ly)
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To: TalonDJ

If I had to guess they’re going with an Amtrak-style system, which is what other people we know are working on not the sort I work with. Probably the transponders aren’t compatible. If they had to rip out the old system before putting in the new - or even just didn’t budget to maintain the old system, or buy new parts for it, I could see this. Kinda.


72 posted on 09/29/2016 10:20:43 AM PDT by JenB
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To: ncfool

I’m so close, and yet so far. I don’t know everything that has been set up in trains. I recall that camera coverage of crews has been discussed but it’s not part of PTC, it would be a different safety measure.

Sounds like he might have just gone catatonic, or croaked even, leaning on the button, and so the train just charged into the station at full speed. That had better not be sufficient override, or even PTC is scrod.


73 posted on 09/29/2016 10:22:09 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

or Terrorism? Skilled Engineer’s do not make major mistakes unless something happened.


74 posted on 09/29/2016 10:28:42 AM PDT by ncfool ( We are in the United Socialist State of aMeriKa. The USSA. Sheeple of aMeriKa follow hil-LIAR-ly)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

William Blaine, another train engineer who witnessed the crash, told NBC New York that he was with authorities when they found the engineer slumped over in his chair. He says he believes the engineer died, but there has been no official confirmation from authorities

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3813781/As-30-people-injured-New-Jersey-commuter-train-crashes-station.html#ixzz4LfIxaJyv
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75 posted on 09/29/2016 10:30:05 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: outpostinmass2
The National Transportation Safety Board ruled that the derailment was caused by the train’s engineer becoming distracted by other radio transmissions and losing situational awareness.

They made this announcment already? That sounds insane, absolute bulls***.

76 posted on 09/29/2016 10:30:38 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often <i>a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: outpostinmass2

Would he have died thus from the shock of the impact? Doing this on purpose?


77 posted on 09/29/2016 10:31:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: little jeremiah

That was for the 2015 Philly accident in response to the PTC issue.


78 posted on 09/29/2016 10:31:41 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: cherry

I clearly remember that and IIRC the fag conductor was let off easy.


79 posted on 09/29/2016 10:31:50 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often <i>a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: little jeremiah
I think that refers to the Philadelphia derailment?
80 posted on 09/29/2016 10:32:27 AM PDT by stayathomemom ( Read Shadow Men, The Progressive Virus, and The Marxist Playbook by Dr. Anthony Napoleon)
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