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What we got is that the middle class has not been annihilated after all, and that's good. While this thread will most probably get posts from those of us that say every single thing about the U.S. economy is bad, we might want to remember that about half the U.S. believes that and the other half is voting for "her".

Meanwhile those of us who work for a living find we can feed our families a lot better if we accept reality as it is, we see the good as well as the bad, and get in w/ the good things happening.

1 posted on 08/26/2016 3:43:32 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Assuming that the trend lasts through Election Day, it’s probably a plus for Hillary Clinton.
yeah, my very first thought upon seeing the headline: “Why! this is just in time for Hillary”!


2 posted on 08/26/2016 3:52:17 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job....)
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“What's happening, Holzer said, is that middle-wage jobs have become split. There's what he calls “the old middle” of factory workers, construction workers and the rest. These jobs are declining over time. But there's also a “new middle” of jobs - health care technicians, high-tech maintenance workers, paralegals, and store managers - that's growing rapidly. “

I don't disagree with your premise of ‘accepting reality’ as it is, but we also need to remember that the powers that be will try to color this reality to make things look rosy before the election. What's stated in the paragraph above aren't great steps forward, IMHO. Health care administrative costs are out of control, and health care costs as a whole thus continue to rise. As such, there will be lots and lots of cost-cutting pressures in the health care sector over the next decade - unless things get dramatically restructured. Paralegals as a growth market for jobs seems a bit far-fetched to me, and even if true suggests that we are becoming more regulated and litigious - not factors that bode well for general economic growth and innovation. Store managers?

3 posted on 08/26/2016 3:56:03 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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Happy Friday!! 

Yesterday's stock indexes slipped a tenth of a % in lower volume (continuing the flat trading they've been showing for a couple months now), while gold and silver seem perched on a couple of new support levels (now at $1,327.44 and /418.74).  Looks like everyone's ready for Yellen's speech (Yellen Speaks - Finally! Today we finally hear from Janet Yellen at the Jackson Hole Symposium. Read on to learn more...full story) and our wonderful GDP numbers--

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4 posted on 08/26/2016 4:06:37 AM PDT by expat_panama
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It is all well and good to try and put a rosy picture on the economics of all this for whatever reason - some related to the market and economy and trading in it and some related to political aims, I’d expect.

But when I see data such as contained here:

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/the_work_versus_welfare_trade-off_2013_wp.pdf

It tells me that in many states, while those “great new replacement middle wage jobs” are rosy, the data contained in this report shows that there a number of states where the income equivalent of the collection of “welfare” incomes ranks at the top of this rosy “$30K-$60K” boon.

Just this morning in an earlier thread the topic of a thread was the big increase in work eligible earners in the 25-50 something age range choosing NOT to work - why is that?


5 posted on 08/26/2016 4:12:24 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: expat_panama

Anemic numbers spun to look good.


7 posted on 08/26/2016 4:15:07 AM PDT by Paul R.
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To: expat_panama

Does accepting reality require that we believe there is no inflation, and if in fact there was, food, gasoline, etc. would not be included in the number?


9 posted on 08/26/2016 4:20:52 AM PDT by Common Sense 101
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To: expat_panama

So why is the labor participation rate not decreasing?


10 posted on 08/26/2016 4:21:42 AM PDT by AU72
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I am going to opt out of this new norm. Don’t care to pack hemorrhoids, stock shelves or work for a slimey lawyer. The new norm is the “Dollar Store” economy.


14 posted on 08/26/2016 4:37:18 AM PDT by cp124 (Dollar Store economy.)
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Labor participation rates are at 38 year lows. This article is just another attempt to put lipstick on a pig. I no longer trust federal data, especially before an election. We saw in 2012 how the unemployment data were manipulated to help Obama.


18 posted on 08/26/2016 4:46:43 AM PDT by kabar
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To: expat_panama
"May have, may, suggests"

When you see those words in the first sentence or two, you know it's B.S.

Shilling for Hillary - 2016

19 posted on 08/26/2016 5:09:03 AM PDT by onona (Honey this isn't Kindergarten. We are in an all out war for the survival of our Country !)
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To: expat_panama

And now a reality check from Virginia. Our governor is announcing a $1.5 billion budget shortfall for the current year. The reason? Significant shortage in withholding tax revenue. Yet, the statewide unemployment rate is under 4%. The Governor makes announcements about new jobs almost daily. So, how do you square these two? Stagnant wages, FT jobs being replaced with PT jobs, influx of illegals putting downward pressure on wages.

No, all is not unicorns and rainbows.


21 posted on 08/26/2016 5:21:00 AM PDT by EagleClaw
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To: expat_panama

Due to inflation 30k to 60k ain’t what used to be. Plug ‘em into an inflation calculator and see.


25 posted on 08/26/2016 5:36:07 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: expat_panama
The Fed economists report that middle-wage workers - earning roughly $30,000 to $60,000 - represent the fastest growing segment of the labor market.

It's just that ten years ago, those used to be $60,000 to $90,000 jobs. :)

29 posted on 08/26/2016 5:55:16 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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How do you explain record numbers of people on food stamps? You underestimate the other side’s capacity for data manipulation and lying. People unemployed don’t even count as unemployed.


31 posted on 08/26/2016 6:02:32 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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There are always “bright spots” in the economy if you are willing to look for them.

A severe recession = a Golden Age for the repo business.


34 posted on 08/26/2016 6:14:32 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Rah rah rah! More cheer leading mediocrity.


The economy grew at a 0.8 percent pace in the first quarter. It grew 1.0 percent in the first half of 2016.


35 posted on 08/26/2016 6:33:12 AM PDT by citizen (Sanctuary cities: Illegals move in for free stuff, residents move out b/c they can't pay the taxes.)
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Realclear... has become a progressive joke.


40 posted on 08/26/2016 8:41:53 AM PDT by pabianice (LINE)
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