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Trump lacks experience but his detractors lack common sense: Spengler
Asia Times ^ | August 9, 2016 | Spengler aka David Goldman

Posted on 08/09/2016 10:34:21 AM PDT by C19fan

Last year I arrived early for a lunch address by Gen. Michael Hayden, who ran the National Security Agency and later the Central Intelligence Agency in the George W. Bush administration. Hayden was already there, and glad to chat. The conversation turned to Egypt, and I asked Hayden why the Republican mainstream had embraced the Muslim Brotherhood rather than the military government of President al-Sisi, an American-trained soldier who espoused a reformed Islam that would repudiate terrorism. “We were sorry that [Muslim Brotherhood leader Mohamed] Morsi was overthrown” in July 2013, Hayden explained. “We wanted to see what would happen when the Muslim Brotherhood had to take responsibility for picking up the garbage.”

“General,” I remonstrated, “when Morsi was overthrown, Egypt had three weeks of wheat supplies on hand. The country was on the brink of starvation!”

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 2016issues; gope; noecons; spengler; trump
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This whole neo-con Wilsonian cadre never seems to learn from their mistakes. Hopefully the whole lot of them will be thrown out of DC.
1 posted on 08/09/2016 10:34:21 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

I am getting sick of this ‘lacks government experience’ meme...

Look at what those WITH government experience have done. You want more of that?


2 posted on 08/09/2016 10:36:05 AM PDT by Mr. K (Trump will win NY state - choke on that HilLIARy)
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To: C19fan

The same author who wrote that great “no way no how can Obama be elected POTUS” piece in the summer of 2008.


3 posted on 08/09/2016 10:38:45 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: C19fan

Appeasers all!.....................


4 posted on 08/09/2016 10:40:45 AM PDT by Red Badger (Make America AMERICA again!.........................)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The most frightening thing to a political minion in DC is a politician that actually will do as he says he will do!................


5 posted on 08/09/2016 10:41:58 AM PDT by Red Badger (Make America AMERICA again!.........................)
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To: C19fan

No what is happening is that the “GOPe” has teamed up with democrats against the GOP nominee, who overwhelmingly defeated 15 competitors to become the party’s nominee.

They lost. Big time. Bush barely registered with voters. None of them did, because they are not for America.

Now they are teaming up with the OTHER PARTY.

So be it. To heck with the GOPe. They have sold out their very own nation, to China.

Trump is the only person, in either party, who is saying we need to manufacture things again.

To heck with the sell-outs. I firmly believe Donald will win, because Donald is for America.


6 posted on 08/09/2016 10:42:09 AM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: C19fan

Obama has already proven that “experience” doesn’t mean jack when it comes to the presidency of the United States of America. Trump can do the same thing Barry did. Make his own “experience”. IOW. If it feels good, do it or “It’s good to be the king!”


7 posted on 08/09/2016 10:43:22 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Let's Make Our Government and Founding Documents Great Again!)
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To: C19fan

Hayden is point man on the anti-Trump foreign policy letter that hit yesterday. I would add to the author’s argument that not only did the neocons screw up Egypt policy, letting the Brotherhood run wild there, at least for a time, but that led to the radicals spilling over into Libya.


8 posted on 08/09/2016 10:44:21 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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Well lets see how many articles are posted today trashing Trump:

http://atimes.com/2016/08/trump-lacks-experience-but-his-detractors-lack-common-sense/

http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/media-tries-to-sarah-palin-donald-trump/print/

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/08/09/us/elections/Bush-Rubio-and-Kasich-Donors-give-to-Clinton.html

http://www.firstpost.com/world/now-china-slams-donald-trump-claims-us-voters-deserve-better-2945392.html

http://canadafreepress.com/article/david-brock-group-demands-irs-hit-trump-foundation

http://forward.com/news/347099/trumps-terror-travel-ban-applies-to-christians-and-jews-too/?attribution=articles-hero-item-text-2

http://www.shiftfrequency.com/primary-shows-trump-win_in-nov/

http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2016/08/man_attacked_by_stranger_who_questioned_his_trump.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-clinton-opens-double-digit-lead-over-trump-n625676

http://legalinsurrection.com/2016/08/given-what-trump-has-stirred-up-nyt-columnist-fears-aftermath-if-he-loses/

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-politically-motivated-letter

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/08/cnn-will-trump-follow-drudges-lead-and-question-hillarys-health-video/

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/08/08/hillary-trump-takes-apparent-pleasure-in-tormenting/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/8/donald-trump-thanks-gop-security-officials-opposin/

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263765/gary-johnsons-campaign-make-hillary-president-daniel-greenfield

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/us/politics/national-security-gop-donald-trump.html


9 posted on 08/09/2016 10:48:20 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 ('THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!' Trump/Pence; Trump/Pence; Trump/Pence 100%)
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To: Mr. K

Government experience is shorthand for pigging out at the public trough. Ain’t got time for that.


10 posted on 08/09/2016 10:48:48 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Stop the Left and save the world.)
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To: C19fan
Great article, and thanks for posting. I penned this reply a few minutes ago in response to a Buchanan article and it strikes me that Spengler and I are pretty much in agreement on the topic (and I stoutly deny that I read Spengler's piece first!)

Trump responded, “The names on this letter are the ones the American people should look to for answers on why the world is a mess, and we thank them for coming forward so everyone in the country knows who deserves the blame for making the world such a dangerous place.” That is exactly correct.

Yes, it is. It's nice to see General Hayden putting a face to the clown car of "experts" who have managed to turn out Middle East policies into a toxic brew of larceny, mendacity, and murder. If I had anything to say about it that list of 50 would be at the top of the people fired by the incoming Trump administration.

But honest to God, I was floored by this:

Hayden explained. “We wanted to see what would happen when the Muslim Brotherhood had to take responsibility for picking up the garbage.”

Nice. The citizens of Egypt were, in effect, a test population for the idiot notion that the Muslim Brotherhood would either act responsibly or take responsibility for the outcome, this hopeful illusion predicated on precisely no evidence visible to anyone with the slightest acquaintance of their history. They were, recall, quite prominent in Egyptian history before, being the assassins of Sadat, one of which assassins then became the co-founder of al Qaeda, a fellow named Zawahiri, who still resides somewhere in Pakistan. How that leopard changed its spots in the intervening years is a thing I should like to hear Gen. Hayden explain, and why he imagined it would be a fun thing to turn over Egypt's citizens to them just to see what would happen. We saw what happened. They managed to trash the country in weeks. And nobody in the current administration has shown the slightest sign of regret for our lamentable role in that debacle. They'd like to try it again in Syria. I'd like to fire the lot of them.

11 posted on 08/09/2016 10:51:25 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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It believed that majority rule in Iraq would lead to a stable, pro-American government in that Frankenstein monster of a country patched together with body parts taken from the corpse of the American empire.

American empire? Perhaps he means Ottoman Empire? Strike one.

Trump is vulgar, ill-informed and poorly spoken.

Assertion against evidence. I wonder if there is any reason to continue reading this article. Strike two.

As Bret Stephens complained Aug. 8 in the Wall Street Journal, some of Trump’s loudest supporters make a motley virtue of their ignorance.

And strike three.

Perhaps this person can learn from his mistakes. But he seems so sure that he knows everything that teasing out what little virtue there might be in this article is not worth my time.

12 posted on 08/09/2016 10:58:14 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: C19fan

Growing up in, and prospering from the labors of others in government is somehow better than one who prospers from the sweat of his brow in the private sector?

Government is amoral, by definition, man can act morally by definition.

D.C. is terrified of Trump.

5.56mm


13 posted on 08/09/2016 11:02:00 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: C19fan

What crap.

What president in the last century or this century had foreign policy experience before being elected to office?

Certainly not Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton (other than taking bribes from Asian business people), George W. Bush, or Barack Obama (unless you count his childhood indoctrination into Islam in Indonesia).

The only one that comes to mind is G.W. Bush, whose fairly robust foreign policy experience ended up with him being committed to open borders and a supporter of a globalist New World Order. So fat lotta good that did for the American people.


14 posted on 08/09/2016 11:09:43 AM PDT by Maceman (Black Leftist Mobs don't matter.)
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To: C19fan

Egypt is exhibit A in terms of foreign policies failures of the DC establishment in both parties.

Its past time to clean out the stables...


15 posted on 08/09/2016 11:15:34 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: C19fan

The kind of “sense” that’s common in workers is very different from what’s common in journalists (or Harvard grads or politicians).

For instance, ask 100 mechanics and 100 journalists

“Does it make sense to pay people to NOT WORK?”

You’ll probably get 100 “NO” responses from the mechanics and 70+ “yes if/when/but/so ...” responses from the journalists. They both consider their response “common sense”. But the journalist takes 2 paragraphs of explanation for the response to a simple YES/NO question, which doesn’t sound like “common sense” to me.

You can do the same with a simple question on guns, refugees, illegals, etc.


16 posted on 08/09/2016 11:17:49 AM PDT by LostPassword
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Yeah, it is three strikes.

You are just wrong about who is striking out.


17 posted on 08/09/2016 11:31:14 AM PDT by Eurotwit (u)
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To: C19fan

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”


18 posted on 08/09/2016 11:32:32 AM PDT by Eurotwit (u)
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To: Eurotwit
If you think that Iraq was "patched together with body parts taken from the corpse of the American empire" then you should perhaps pick up a history book at some point.

You might find it enlightening.

19 posted on 08/09/2016 11:43:00 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Billthedrill

“The citizens of Egypt were, in effect, a test population for the idiot notion that the Muslim Brotherhood would either act responsibly or take responsibility...”

Think they regard American citizens with any more respect? I don’t.


20 posted on 08/09/2016 12:08:25 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up....)
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