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North Carolina Officials Say They’ll Defy Federal Deadline on Bathroom Law
New York Times ^ | May 5, 2016 | ALAN BLINDER and RICHARD FAUSSET

Posted on 05/06/2016 2:05:50 AM PDT by reaganaut1

RALEIGH, N.C. — The Republican leaders of North Carolina’s General Assembly defiantly announced Thursday that they would not meet a Monday deadline to suspend or repeal a state law limiting bathroom access for transgender people, setting up a potential legal showdown over what has become one of the nation’s most explosive cultural issues.

“We will take no action by Monday,” said Tim Moore, the speaker of the State House of Representatives, referring to the deadline the Justice Department gave the state to tell federal officials whether the law would stand. “That deadline will come and go.”

Though Mr. Moore criticized the deadline as “unreasonable,” he also seemed to signal that Republicans might eventually agree to alter the law, which forbids people to use public building restrooms that do not match the gender listed on their birth certificates.

“The legislative process doesn’t work where a response can be given by just a few days,” he said, “so we’re going to move at the speed that we’re going to move at to look at what our options are at this point.”

His comments, as well as a private meeting later with a leading critic of the law, Mayor Jennifer Roberts of Charlotte, were indications that lawmakers here may be concerned about the potentially damaging consequences of keeping the law intact and defying the Justice Department.

The Obama administration contends that the law violates the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and its finding could push the federal government to withhold in federal aid.

The law puts more than $4.8 billion in federal funding to state and local governments at risk, according to a recent analysis by the Williams Institute, a research organization at the University of California, Los Angeles, law school that focuses on sexual orientation and gender identity law.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: bathrooms; federalism; statesrights
Yeah, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was about letting men in to women's bathrooms. I hope Trump and the congressional GOP support North Carolina. One problem with federal funding of education and things that are state and local responsibilities is that the money is a lever to bully the states.

In the next budget, the GOP should put in a rider that education funding cannot be withheld based on state policies on "transgender" bathrooms.

1 posted on 05/06/2016 2:05:51 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Waiting for one of the states that keep getting extorted to come out and tell the feds that they will no longer be paying any federal taxes, and then tell the citizens of said state that they no longer need to pay income tax.


2 posted on 05/06/2016 2:18:12 AM PDT by mikefive (RLTW)
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To: reaganaut1

The Republicans in NC won’t act when the deadline passes, but left open the door to caving in later.


3 posted on 05/06/2016 2:18:41 AM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS, REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: reaganaut1
In the next budget, the GOP should put in a rider that education funding cannot be withheld based on state policies on "transgender" bathrooms.

Better yet close the DOE and return all control back to either the states or the counties.

4 posted on 05/06/2016 2:19:14 AM PDT by Thales Miletus (Men stand up for truth, cowards hide behind ignorance.)
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To: reaganaut1

Yes, the Federal funding has all kinds of strings attached to turn States into puppets. We are not The Puppet States of America.

This situation highlights the need to change the system and put the States back in charge. Repealing the 17th amendment would be a good start.


5 posted on 05/06/2016 2:19:27 AM PDT by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: Thales Miletus

Get rid of the DOE both Education and Energy, get rid of the EPA, well I could go on but just the thought of them gone has given my brain freeze.


6 posted on 05/06/2016 2:25:26 AM PDT by Joe Miner
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To: Joe Miner
Get rid of the DOE both Education and Energy, get rid of the EPA, well I could go on but just the thought of them gone has given my brain freeze.

I agree, and get yourself a cup of coffee, it is too early for brain freeze.

7 posted on 05/06/2016 2:29:12 AM PDT by Thales Miletus (Men stand up for truth, cowards hide behind ignorance.)
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To: reaganaut1

In the next budget, the GOP should put in a rider that education funding cannot be withheld based on state policies on “transgender” bathrooms.
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Agree, in part. ....However, if Federal funding for education was eliminated then the tuition rates would be drastically lowered, since the colleges just keep raising the tuitions because they know they will get tax payer dollars.


8 posted on 05/06/2016 3:34:42 AM PDT by octex
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To: joshua c

Another declaration of independence might be in the cards too.


9 posted on 05/06/2016 3:59:59 AM PDT by refermech
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To: Thales Miletus

The Doj should be done away with. Civil rights should be greatly cut back on. It was always a scheme to take rights away from the majority.


10 posted on 05/06/2016 4:00:26 AM PDT by Carry me back (Cut the feds by 90%)
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To: reaganaut1

More states need to tell the out of control feds to go to hell.


11 posted on 05/06/2016 4:12:46 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: reaganaut1

Just a hunch - but I get the feeling NC will vote overwhelming for Trump...


12 posted on 05/06/2016 4:21:56 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: reaganaut1

Make it a clean 10th Amendment test.


13 posted on 05/06/2016 4:29:15 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: reaganaut1

The Obama administration contends that the law violates the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and its finding could push the federal government to withhold in federal aid.

Every time the Feds do this there should be something in paces for States to withhold Fed tax dollars going to the Feds from that State. Past time the Feds learn the only money they get is what they take from the States in the first place.


14 posted on 05/06/2016 4:32:35 AM PDT by 48th SPS Crusader (I am an American. Not a Republican or a Democrat)
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To: reaganaut1; All

Great post; thread.

The most important question that was ever proposed to your decision, or to the decision of any people under heaven, is before you, and you are to decide upon it by men of your own election, chosen specially for this purpose. If the constitution, offered to your acceptance, be a wise one, calculated to preserve the invaluable blessings of liberty, to secure the inestimable rights of mankind, and promote human happiness, then, if you accept it, you will lay a lasting foundation of happiness for millions yet unborn; generations to come will rise up and call you blessed. You may rejoice in the prospects of this vast extended continent becoming filled with freemen, who will assert the dignity of human nature. You may solace yourselves with the idea, that society, in this favoured land, will fast advance to the highest point of perfection; the human mind will expand in knowledge and virtue, and the golden age be, in some measure, realised. But if, on the other hand, this form of government contains principles that will lead to the subversion of liberty — if it tends to establish a despotism, or, what is worse, a tyrannic aristocracy; then, if you adopt it, this only remaining assylum for liberty will be shut up, and posterity will execrate your memory.

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So far therefore as its powers reach, all ideas of confederation are given up and lost. It is true this government is limited to certain objects, or to speak more properly, some small degree of power is still left to the states, but a little attention to the powers vested in the general government, will convince every candid man, that if it is capable of being executed, all that is reserved for the individual states must very soon be annihilated, except so far as they are barely necessary to the organization of the general government. The powers of the general legislature extend to every case that is of the least importance — there is nothing valuable to human nature, nothing dear to freemen, but what is within its power. It has authority to make laws which will affect the lives, the liberty, and property of every man in the United States; nor can the constitution or laws of any state, in any way prevent or impede the full and complete execution of every power given. The legislative power is competent to lay taxes, duties, imposts, and excises; — there is no limitation to this power…

And are by this clause invested with the power of making all laws, proper and necessary, for carrying all these into execution; and they may so exercise this power as entirely to annihilate all the state governments, and reduce this country to one single government. And if they may do it, it is pretty certain they will; for it will be found that the power retained by individual states, small as it is, will be a clog upon the wheels of the government of the United States; the latter therefore will be naturally inclined to remove it out of the way. Besides, it is a truth confirmed by the unerring experience of ages, that every man, and every body of men, invested with power, are ever disposed to increase it, and to acquire a superiority over every thing that stands in their way. This disposition, which is implanted in human nature, will operate in the federal legislature to lessen and ultimately to subvert the state authority, and having such advantages, will most certainly succeed, if the federal government succeeds at all.

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15 posted on 05/06/2016 4:37:06 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: reaganaut1

The federal government is fascist and dictatorial.


16 posted on 05/06/2016 4:45:04 AM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: reaganaut1

I’ve tried to ignore this Insanity, so... Dumb question:

Doesn’t every state and locality allow businesses with public bathrooms to keep men out of the ladies rooms, and vice-versa? What is the problem with the NC law?


17 posted on 05/06/2016 4:57:02 AM PDT by ReaganGeneration2
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To: reaganaut1

Is a law that says men should use the men’s room and women should use the women’s room really controversial? Has it really come to this? First whenever a woman advocates for single gender bathrooms, take her up on that by following her into the rest room when she leaves the microphone. And, you women, follow the men into the bathroom as well. It’s what they want, right?

I say NC should take a stand on this one. Screw the fed. And if federal funding is withheld, then NC should withhold paying federal income taxes. Then, do what the Dems do, break out the cameras and show everyone suffering because the schools are closed down. It goes both ways, you know.

Ultimately, if NC loses the case in court on some civil rights B.S. take compliance one step further by eliminating co-ed sports in high schools and colleges (No need to have two basketball teams, two soccer teams, two golf teams, etc). We are all equal!!! If the the feds force compliance, well....then comply totally!!! That’s how I would play it.


18 posted on 05/06/2016 5:06:58 AM PDT by Mustangman
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To: reaganaut1

>In the next budget, the GOP should put in a rider that education funding cannot be withheld based on state policies on “transgender” bathrooms.

Yes, let’s niggle on the details of the already illegal/unconstitutional nature of 99.9% of the Fed. govt., instead of a full fire-sale at the DoEd, EPA, TSA, NSA, etc.

N.C. should come back and say, “You know what? There is no authority for A, B, C, D....YYY, ZZZ. We will be using the $$ from N.C. taxpayers for use *IN* N.C. as the People see fit. Here’s $20 for what N.C. ‘owes’ that are legitimate costs. F* off”.


19 posted on 05/06/2016 5:07:12 AM PDT by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: reaganaut1

20 posted on 05/06/2016 5:07:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: reaganaut1

The states are not slaves to the federal bureaucracy.


21 posted on 05/06/2016 5:51:19 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper (Just say no to HRC)
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To: WKUHilltopper

I agree. I guess this will be a test of the old saying: “You can’t beat city hall”.
The Feds will win as they always do. Unless the people take control.


22 posted on 05/06/2016 5:55:44 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: reaganaut1

Finally! Someone with a backbone! IF they stick to their guns, cite the 10th Amendment and don’t cave.


23 posted on 05/06/2016 5:59:06 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and politics.)
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To: reaganaut1

Whenever the federal government threatens to withhold federal aid to a state, that state’s governor should threaten to instruct the people and companies of that state to pay their federal income taxes to that state’s revenue department instead of the federal IRS.


24 posted on 05/06/2016 6:02:24 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: reaganaut1

The Governor is telling My N*gga I’ve also got a pen and a phone...


25 posted on 05/06/2016 6:05:10 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ('You can avoid reality, but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.")
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To: Nextrush

“The Republicans in NC won’t act when the deadline passes, but left open the door to caving in later.”

As Benjamin Franklin said at the signing of the Declaration of Independence: “We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”

Where are the other states with respect to standing with North Carolina against tyranny? Yes, Obama knows NC will likely cave if the other states don’t weigh in. The time to stand is now. So far 49 states are sitting.


26 posted on 05/06/2016 6:35:02 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Tomorrow is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Obama's transtyranny doesn't pass the Constitutional smell test.
27 posted on 05/06/2016 6:44:46 AM PDT by 444Flyer (How long O LORD?)
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To: Soul of the South

Well we know where Alabama and the great Judge Roy Moore stand on this liberal nonsense. There will be no drag queens in female bathrooms in the state of Alabama.


28 posted on 05/06/2016 8:22:11 AM PDT by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: reaganaut1

AFAIK. The DOJ’s authority does not extend to changing the common dictionary and common definition of sex when used to mean male or female of a species. It would be up to the legislature to change Title VII to include gender identity. Plus these federal hypocrites are all on the bandwagon that sex and gender identity can be independent of each other. Now they use their bully clubs to insist the two words mean the same thing.

The DOJ is charged with implementing the law as it is written. Not as they wish it was written. That is the point NC and their supporters in congress need to make. For a law to be at the whim of potentates is a sure sign of tyranny. Why do so many let that pass?


29 posted on 05/06/2016 9:14:04 AM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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The states _must_ defy DC. They are our only hope in the governmental realm. Although we continue to play the political party game, this is so surely at the end, especially since they allow SCOTUS to decide every issue of law between the three branches of USG. What a laugh that is.


30 posted on 05/06/2016 11:26:42 AM PDT by veracious
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To: reaganaut1

The Obama administration contends that the law violates the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and its finding could push the federal government to withhold in federal aid.

Why don’t they do something useful, like CHARGE THEM CRIMINALLY for this Blatant, Admitted, Felonious Attempted EXTORTION> Issue a Warrant SIGNED by the Governor, and let a STATE JURY decide if these DOJ Personnel Violated any Laws in their quest for domination.


31 posted on 05/06/2016 2:54:53 PM PDT by eyeamok
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