seeing's how the Bundeswehr isn't allowed to work overtime anymore, if they attack after 5:00 it'll be even easierI think if Putin did send his Armies into Europe it would be to save them from the muslims invaders.
It is not a question if there will there be a war in Europe because that war has already begun, and only one side if fighting.
The question is will the Europeans wake up in time to save themselves
Side effect of the welfare state.
“The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because, you know, the cold war has been over for 20 years.”
-Barack Obama
-PJ
I oppose ANY use of American troops in Europe. Get out of NATO. Bring those troops home for good.
If Russia invaded Western Europe would he stop the Muslim invasion? Yes, I think so.
That would cost the Russians a ton of money. And since oil prices are down, I don’t think he has the resources.
His army would get there. And then they would run out of gas.
And...we are not much more capable.
The direct military invasion threat from Putin and Russia is microscopic compared to the threat of all-out jihad civil war across Europe with their moslem invaders.
Tet, Take Two: Islam’s 2016 European Offensive
http://gatesofvienna.net/2015/11/tet-take-two-islams-2016-european-offensive/
Observation 1: Nothing over the past twenty years has shown the Russian military to be capable of handling much more than a very limited military action against a far smaller military force. At best, they pick and choose situations where they know they can come out with a better-than-average military conclusion.
Observation 2: To be any threat across Europe....you’d have to maneuver a tank-force over a 500 km-plus of trip-wire (Poland, Belarus, Bulgaria, etc). If you figure up all the TOW’s available (US, NATO, etc)...at least 2,000 of the Russian tanks won’t be on the scoreboard after the fifth day of this operation.
Observation 3: If you line up the top 1000 Russian Oligarchs....who exactly thinks this is a wise idea and would let Putin do this? Rome, Paris and Berlin is their playground where they spend weekends with their ‘honey’ and spend tens of millions on fake fashion.
Observation 4: If you took out these idiot rich Europeans and replaced them with Russian underlords and doomed their economy....what idiot would pay the obscene prices for natural gas and oil that Russian currently sells European dimwits?
Maybe this is a decent “what-if” discussion one night....with a decent bottle of Czech-made Becherovka...but there are five hundred better what-if discussions in my humble opinion.
The American taxpayer has paid for the defense of Western Europe for since 1945. The European economy has been capable of funding its own defense since the late 1960’s. It is long past time for the USA to let Europe choose its own fate.
The US taxpayer not only saved Europe from the Nazis, the US poured billions into rebuilding the European economy after WWII through the Marshall Plan.
How many Euros did the EU send to the US to rebuild lower Manhattan after 9/11?
Pull all of the troops out of Europe and let them decide their fate.
I wouldn’t do it Russia, this time the roads/highways are nice and solid and the Germans have wider tank tracks.
First Putin will put back his Russian Empire, with all of the old soviet union satellite states. Europe and NATO will not do anything meaningful, when Putin’s consolidation starts, thus sending him a signal.
Second, Europe will be embroiled within with their own civil wars. Since it is not a foreign force invasion, American sentiment will be hard pushed to get involved.
Third, large scale Russian invasion of western Europe will be in the name of ‘stabilization’. Nobody knows how it will end.
To win a decisive, world-historic victory, of course.
Why else would a conqueror do such a thing? To build schools for girls and distribute COEXIST bumper stickers?
Don't be ridiculous.
Islame has been at war with mankind for 1400 years. They’re just waiting for the latest invasion force to overpopulate/enslave the indigenous.
seeing's how the Bundeswehr isn't allowed to work overtime anymore, if they attack after 5:00 it'll be even easierIf the Muslims, he posited, ever unleashed their large and fanatical forces across the Mediterranean Sea - through Turkey, Greece, Italy and beyond – no European Socialist government would have the will to stop them.
There, fixed that.
Who would want Europe. Too many Muslims.
At this point in time I think it’s ridiculous to even contemplate this scenario. A much more realistic discussion would be what if Putin wanted to take back the former soviet satellite now NATO member Baltic States? Would we come to defend them as we are bound in the NATO charter or send a strongly worded letter to Putin? If I were Estonian, I’d be checking out the Russian Federation healthcare plan, just in case....
Interesting article
What will trump do? Time to rethink our strategy and goals for sure
watched the first few months of the war in Syria pretty closely and did not see indiscriminate Russian bombing or brutality although we are both fighting an enemy who,invites this for propaganda purposes
Did we pour it all into the sands of Iraq and Afghanistan? Did we simply dismantle the greatest military force in history? Have we forgot all he hard-earned experience from Gulf War I, Gulf War II, the occupation of Iraq, the invasion of Afghanistan? Is all that hard-earned combat experience somehow down the rat hole? Are all our gizmo weapons suddenly outclassed or just outnumbered?
Donald Trump, characteristically thoughtless, says he will build up the military and equally characteristically he has declined to provide us with many details. It seems to me that a thorough assessment of our present condition in the wake of Obama is urgently required. You can't fix it if you don't know what is broke. Nor is there much point in fixing it if you don't know what you're going to use it for, in other words, what sort of force do we need in the middle and more distant future? Are we merely to fight Muslim countries, are we really to prepare to defend a Russian incursion across the Fulda gap? Are we to be able to fight a two front war, also against an aggressive China in the South China Sea or elsewhere?
These questions apply to new technologies but they are as ancient as warfare itself and certainly as old as the nation. America has almost always chosen a side of un- preparedness and has done so up until the aftermath of World War II, or better put, the aftermath of the Korean War, or perhaps the Vietnam War. We seem always to play catch-up and we got away with it over the centuries because we were protected by two oceans.
Oceans are now negotiated by ICBMs at the speed of sound or faster and provide no real margins. One hears again the same people who urged us to fight the enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan so that "we will have to fight them here" now telling us that we have no national interest in safeguarding Europe. They were wrong about Iraq and Afghanistan (so was I in the beginning) and they are wrong about Europe today. Probably these are the same people that think we can impose 45% tariffs and maintain a depression free 21st-century economy.
As always in our history, we need facts not slogans. That will be the job of Donald Trump if he gets the office. The candidate can prevail with slogans, a commander-in-chief needs a real army. If Hillary gets the office, we know what the answer will be. Trump eventually will have to explain the nuts and bolts of his undertaking to shore up the military and he will have to get it through Congress as free as possible of pork which enfeebles the reform process.
It would be well if Trump began to switch from slogans to reality now.
