Posted on 04/04/2016 5:33:15 AM PDT by Mifflin
Based on current delegate counts and poll numbers Ted Cruz will be mathematically unable to reach the delegate count required for him to win the Republican Presidential nomination. By the end April it will be clear that Ted Cruz has no chance of reaching the 1,237 delegates needed to win the nomination.
Not according to the news...of course Montana delegates can change their mind but at this point 18 of them say their for Cruz!!!
The Trumpettes are skerd. They want to anoint King Donald to the Throne.
Or hand it to him as an AA appointment, because he couldn't quite make it across the finish line, Bone spurs, don'tcha know...
There are about a dozen parties already....good luck with that. I don’t care for the establishment either...but they are there and not going away!!!
I’m surprised no one replied to your post here because I think you’re quite right. I think that is Cruz’s goal, to deny Trump the “magic” number of 1237. I’m sure Cruz realizes that it is, for all intents and purposes, impossible to get to 1237 himself.
The point where we would disagree (I suspect) is that it is perfectly valid for him (Cruz) to do so at this point. If he can do so (deny Trump 1237 bound delegates) then by the rules of the Convention a second vote is forced. And in that second vote, it seems Cruz is lining up some unbound (and some of Trump’s bound) delegates that he believes will then vote for him (Cruz). Because at that second vote, as well as any subsequent votes, all the delegates can vote as they choose not just for whomever they were elected to vote for.
This is perfectly in the rules because if no one reaches 1237, then by mathematical definition no one has a majority. A majority of the delegates must vote for and thus nominate the nominee. That’s the rule. The rule isn’t “whoever gets the most votes is the nominee” (that would be a “plurality” of delegates) the rule is “whoever gets the MAJORITY (again not plurality) of the delegates voting for them” is the nominee.
So like I said we probably disagree there, how “fair” that is and whatnot. However, for this reason I outlined above, if Trump ALREADY HAS a majority of delegates BEFORE the convention, then there will indeed be no reason for Cruz (or Kasich for that matter) to stay in the race other than to be a nuisance. So I will become a Trump supporter if (or when) Trump gains a mathematical MAJORITY (not simply a plurality) of the delegates.
The rules were very different in ‘76 and it was more difficult knowing where the delegate count stood. At one point, Reagan even proposed a rule change that would have required that Ford pick him as his running mate. It was a wild convention but Ford really hurt himself by pardoning Nixon. Reagan wouldn’t have had to carry that baggage into a general election. No way to know for sure....but I never look at Carter’s term as any kind of blessing.
And did Cruz tell them to pound sand? Nope, he embraced them and brought them on board. It's simple...they made him an offer he couldn't refuse and it wasn't to be the President. He was bought. He sold out. Nothing else explains his embrace of the Washington "cartel". Heck, he doesn't even talk about the Washington "cartel" anymore because he joined it!
If it had been anyone other than Trump, the nomination process would have been over by now. The GOPe will not allow an outsider to get the nomination. The rules are set up for them to retain control over the process. The Dems have superdelegates and the GOP has the "rules," which can be changed at any time.
Yea! I’m familiar with the Trumpie rules on polls....if they support trump they’re golden ..if not they’re crap!!!
Rubio has not released any of his delegates. What states allow their delegates to be unbound if the candidates drops out. Most of the candidates suspend their campaigns and want to keep their delegates to be a player at the convention.
First, for arguments sake, lets say that the GOPe has stuffed some of the Trump delegates. That would mean that even if Trump does go to the convention with a majority of delegates, the rules will change. How? Simple, with those few delegates already in place Trump wont really have a majority. He wont have enough delegates to hold off a change in the rules.
And when the GOPe changes rule 40, now anyone can be nominated. It is only if rule 40 remains in place that either Trump or Cruz wins.
Now like I said before, if both Trump and Cruz are in the game and both of them support retaining rule 40, then the GOPe will have a much harder time changing that rule. Even if the “fix” is in with stuffing delegates, only Trump and Cruz would be on the convention ballot. No other candidate would be eligible. Trump and Cruz dont even have to work together, just vote their own self interest to keep rule 40 in play.
I agree with everything you posted...and I too will support Trump if he is the nominee!!!
Is it even possible for a Cruz goose to get the picture?
The Rules are for the Establishment. We are handing you that point.
Frame it.
Our point is that the primaries are now exposed as a pretend democracy, a pretense.
People are catching on, in the absence of general public knowledge and public education that used to teach civics.
You support the Rules at any cost.
We support the popular vote.
TRUMP has exposed all of this, by happenstance, but the Cruz/DC Cartel, the Party system, the Rules, and the flock of geese who support it are exposed.
(And, in the name of “conservativism”. LOL!)
Carry on.
Do you seriously expect a candidate to turn away support? Christe is as RINO as they come. Did Trump tell him to pound sand? No, Trump continues to revel in his support. Did Trump sell out when he brought Christe on board?
Before I could possibly answer that question, you would have to define what you considered to be stealing. For instance, if I truly believed I was entitled to win the Powerball Lottery could I claim it was stolen from me even though I did not have a ticket with the winning numbers? Would I be entitled to collect just based on my sense of entitlement. No one owns the nomination until they receive 1237 votes from delegates to the convention.
Just something to think about: Supporters of candidates other than Mr. Trump have strong feelings also. Do you really think they will just give up and go along with Mr. Trump just because some disgruntled supporter threatens to walk out. You have to be careful about pushing threats too far.
That's called Donnie Talk. OR commonly refered to as what ever thought happens to pop in your head at the time....Broadcast it.
Popular vote doesn’t even count in the general...if it did we would have had president Gore!!! You are entitled to your opinion...but in the end the rules will be followed!!!
I am no fan of Carter. I was at our Embassy in Tehran the first time we were overrun on February 14, 1979. Carter gave us Khomeini and militant Islamic fundamentalism.
Carter was a blessing because he set the table for 8 years of Reagan. Without Carter's four years in office, Reagan would have a more difficult time winning in 1976.
McCain became the presumptive nominee with 33% of the vote. His win in FL essentially sealed the deal. Romney entered the convention in 2012 without the number of delegates needed to win the nomination outright.
If it had been anyone other than Trump, the nomination process would have been over by now. The GOPe will not allow an outsider to get the nomination. The rules are set up for them to retain control over the process. The Dems have superdelegates and the GOP has the “rules,” which can be changed at any time.
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Did Trump know the uses beforehand? Is it anybody’s fault but Trump if he didn’t know the rules? Would a great mgr made the mistake of not hiring somebody who knows the process?
What I’d Cruz wins Ca and ends up with say 900 delegates why should he cede the nomination to trump especially in light of all the free media trump has gotten?
Sure. Ted’s all about the noble cause. -massive projectile barf clean up on aisle three-
So getting 37% of the vote guarantees you the nomination?Seriously?
Anything else is cheating?
Only to a narcissist bully.
All you are doing is rationalizing cheating and enabling the GOPe bureaucrats. How? I'm glad you asked.
Didn't it ever occur to you to wonder why there were 16 other candidates, specifically nationally unknown losers from several key states? They were put in there and supported to divide up the votes, period. This clamps down a movement candidate, or any candidate really from getting majority. Trump has surprised them and nearly broken through but can still be stopped, but only with Cruz's help.
By you being intentionally or deliberately ignorant of this speaks volumes. But make no mistake, you are empowering the GOPe to undo the reformed primary election process that now uses real voters rather than the original corrupt party system of hacks in smokey backrooms [ whoever keeps bringing up Lincoln, stop now before you embarrass yourself further! ]. You Leto, are empowering them by giving tacit approval to their tactics.
We don't know for sure if Ted is bought and paid for or just enormously stupid, it doesn't even matter at this point. But you are supporting the GOPe roadmap to nominate whomever they want. Need more? How about the cozy relationship between Priebus, Romney, Ryan, Walker? Add in Cantor, McCarthy, Boehner, McConnell.
The very same (R)epublicrat politburo who runs everything, ran the budget into the ground, gave Dumbo everything he asked for, set up TPP/TPA, is now making a move on the Presidential nomination right in front of your face. Yet you are still blinded by love for Teddy Bear?
Realize this, if they get away with this most brazen theft, then nothing will ever stop them in the future. Why would you or anyone else bother to vote? It will be too late for your mea culpa next year when they swear in Hillary and she appoints some schmuck into Scalia's seat.
Y'all know the stakes. It is time to shake Cruz loose before he hands control of the nomination process to the party hacks we all despise.
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