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Highway construction dollars, local police protection clash
The Carlisle Sentinel ^ | March 13, 2016 | Marc Levy (AP)

Posted on 03/29/2016 11:09:58 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Call it Pennsylvania’s highway robbery.

A pot of money from a huge increase in fuel taxes and motorist fees under a 2013 law designed to shore up Pennsylvania’s highways and bridges is not so huge anymore, as a growing amount is getting diverted to the Pennsylvania State Police.

Now, alarmed transportation planners, construction firms and engineers are looking at 12-year Department of Transportation projections that show a fattening state police budget consuming more dollars for construction projects. Lawmakers are taking notice, too.

(Excerpt) Read more at cumberlink.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: act89; bridges; cities; corruption; diversions; fhwa; freeloaders; fueltax; funding; gastax; highways; infrastructure; lawenforcement; municipalities; pennsylvania; police; ponzischeme; roads; socialinfrastructure; socialism; statepolice; suburbs; taxes; towns; transportation
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1 posted on 03/29/2016 11:09:58 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The federal leviathan was dead-against allowing tolls on I-80, so this is one of the results.


2 posted on 03/29/2016 11:20:38 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

“The federal leviathan was dead-against allowing tolls on I-80, so this is one of the results.”

Sounds more like a ‘priorities’ issue. I have a BIG PROBLEM with states, cities, counties, or private people setting up ‘toll booths’ on Interstates, which are only designed to snatch money from passing travelers, as would be the case here as so few locals actually use I-80.

We have the Interstate Commerce Clause for a reason, even if it gets abused on a regular basis.


3 posted on 03/30/2016 4:28:05 AM PDT by BobL (A vote for Cruz...is now a vote for Romney / Jeb / Linda / Ryan (at the convention))
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To: Olog-hai

“The federal leviathan was dead-against allowing tolls on I-80, so this is one of the results.”

...and by the way, the feds actually wanted tolls on I-80, but part of the law said that the money collected would ONLY be used to maintain that particular highway. Pennsylvania had planned to use I-80 as a ‘Revenue Engine’ (that’s a Governor Perry term here in Texas) to pay for higher priority items, like the subway in Pennsylvania. It was only after PA would not agree to keep the use the money for the road only did the feds pull the plug on the idea.


4 posted on 03/30/2016 4:30:46 AM PDT by BobL (A vote for Cruz...is now a vote for Romney / Jeb / Linda / Ryan (at the convention))
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To: BobL
No, the feds were always against tolls on I-80 through Pennsylvania. The plan was rejected twice by the FHWA, even in spite of the PTC’s promise that none of the revenue would fund anything but the highway. Most likely the biggest local voices against tolls on that highway were that of the businesses and residents (the latter being New Jersey transplants) in the Monroe, Pike, Wayne and Lackawanna county region.
5 posted on 03/30/2016 6:33:45 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Highways don’t vote Democrat.


6 posted on 03/30/2016 6:50:47 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Olog-hai

You have a link? I do.

http://tollroadsnews.com/news/feds-reject-pennsylvania-application-to-toll-i-80-—state-to-revisit-p3


7 posted on 03/30/2016 7:30:44 AM PDT by BobL (A vote for Cruz...is now a vote for Romney / Jeb / Linda / Ryan (at the convention))
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To: blueunicorn6

But Tollway workers do.

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8 posted on 03/30/2016 7:33:48 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: BobL

Who are they?


9 posted on 03/30/2016 7:37:16 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

They are a news outlet that specializes in these issues. I chose them because they had the most complete story and their numbers matched other articles.

But you are welcome to PROVIDE A LINK to refute them (my second request, by the way).


10 posted on 03/30/2016 3:50:34 PM PDT by BobL (A vote for Cruz...is now a vote for Romney / Jeb / Linda / Ryan (at the convention))
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Well, there is this link from 2007, but it’s been dead for a while and is missing on archive.org. The title was “I-80 Tolls Not For Mass Transit”, authored by the Inquirer’s Paul Nussbaum.
11 posted on 03/30/2016 4:10:20 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Better than nothing, but mine is a few years later. Apparently, at least in 2010, they were looking to use the tolls to fund a whole host of projects far beyond the Interstate.


12 posted on 03/30/2016 4:15:28 PM PDT by BobL (A vote for Cruz...is now a vote for Romney / Jeb / Linda / Ryan (at the convention))
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That’s quite a push left after the first rejection.

And it turns out that the FHWA rejected this plan a total of three times.


13 posted on 03/30/2016 4:18:26 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Well I can’t speak for the third attempt, but I can sympathize with the feds being TOTALLY SICK of PA trying to turn I-80 into a ‘revenue engine’.


14 posted on 03/30/2016 4:52:24 PM PDT by BobL (A vote for Cruz...is now a vote for Romney / Jeb / Linda / Ryan (at the convention))
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They haven’t gone after the New York MTA doing precisely that with their toll system, IIRC.


15 posted on 03/30/2016 4:57:56 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Nor Houston...but neither place is trying to make a ‘revenue engine’ out of a freeway.


16 posted on 03/30/2016 5:25:37 PM PDT by BobL (A vote for Cruz...is now a vote for Romney / Jeb / Linda / Ryan (at the convention))
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To: BobL

As I understand it, the New York MTA uses toll revenue to fund its commuter rail, subways and buses. They charge tolls on certain East River crossings, and bridges over Long Island Sound, within NYC.


17 posted on 03/30/2016 5:31:52 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Correct. It was part of the takeover of the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority by the Metropolitan Transit Authority in 1968.


18 posted on 03/30/2016 5:34:35 PM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: Olog-hai

I believe that you’re right (in fact I’m sure you’re right)...but it doesn’t mean that states have the right to fleece people driving on what are now freeways to pay for pet projects...especially when the federal law (and the claims by the states) say otherwise.


19 posted on 03/30/2016 5:34:43 PM PDT by BobL (A vote for Cruz...is now a vote for Romney / Jeb / Linda / Ryan (at the convention))
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To: Publius

The old oft-recycled notion of putting tolls on the other currently non-tolled East River crossings, ostensibly to stave off the perpetual MTA funding shortfall, has recently resurfaced too. Nothing about restoring bi-directional tolling on the Verrazano Narrows Bridge thus far.


20 posted on 03/30/2016 5:43:20 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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