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Utah: Bill requiring anesthesia for babies during abortion passes Senate
liveactionnews.org ^ | March 8, 2016 | Danny David

Posted on 03/08/2016 8:01:43 AM PST by Morgana

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To: Morgana

just proves that abortion is execution / murder of the most innocent of humans. God won’t forget those who commit this horror.


21 posted on 03/08/2016 8:30:35 AM PST by drypowder
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To: Morgana; EternalVigilance; BykrBayb
There is NOTHING to celebrate here.

This IS NOT a pro-life law in any sense of the word, this is simply another attempt by those pandering for the pro-life vote to keep abortion legal.

Bramble referred to abortion as a “death sentence” and says his legislation will help protect unborn babies.

A death sentence is a death sentence, it makes no difference if there is pain involved.

22 posted on 03/08/2016 8:32:27 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Morgana

why don’t they just abort the mothers? that way they won’t get pregnant again.


23 posted on 03/08/2016 8:33:26 AM PST by drypowder
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To: Morgana
And this is coming out of Utah: “Mormon Ville” can you believe this? Yet, the Mormons put out a letter telling the people: “If your gay, you can't belong to our church and your children will have to wait until they are 18 to make a choice” and then they had the government here in Utah take away their EBT cards for food stamps...

And you don't think the United States is crazy? The Church apparently doesn't care about aborting babies, but do about gays....ok, got ya!!! (scratching head)

24 posted on 03/08/2016 8:35:32 AM PST by HarleyLady27 ('THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!' Trump; Trump; Trump; Trump; 100%)
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To: fooman

I agree.

Plus it will increase the cost, having to have a recognized anesthesia provider in the room. How many Anesthesiologists and CRNAs are going to want to be involved in this?


25 posted on 03/08/2016 8:35:48 AM PST by Gamecock ( Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul...Matthew 10:28)
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To: Morgana

“Well you know, they can no longer deny the baby can feel pain and that is it in fact a baby.”

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Exactly. Plus it raises cost and risk to the abortionist. Anything to make their job more difficult and expensive.

We all on the pro-life side would like to end all abortions immediately. But we have to praise each victory, no matter how small. We have to fight on every front, tactically as well as strategically.


26 posted on 03/08/2016 8:40:06 AM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: Morgana

Happy news.

They will be chopped and vacuumed with smiles on their faces.


27 posted on 03/08/2016 8:44:38 AM PST by lurk
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To: Morgana
At least we are more or less admitting what it is we are doing.

Dear God, please make US stop.

If we aren't ready for The Warning (Garabandal) now, how much more will we do, how much worse will we become before we are ready?

28 posted on 03/08/2016 8:50:56 AM PST by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Gamecock; wagglebee

“Plus it will increase the cost, having to have a recognized anesthesia provider in the room. How many Anesthesiologists and CRNAs are going to want to be involved in this?”

An anesthesiologists is one of the first things an abortionist cuts to save money when they have one for the women never mind the baby. What do they do? They train some smhuck with an 8th grade level of education to do the job. Really! That is what they will do there. This is not end well but that is okay, Operation Rescue will have their work cut out for them when those jobs get botched.

Granted if I was an anesthesiologists there is no why I’d agree to do a pre born baby but there are always soulless ghouls out there that will do anything for a buck.

Plus I wonder one thing, does the drug the anesthesiologist use mess up the fetus so that Stem Express can’t use it?


29 posted on 03/08/2016 8:52:14 AM PST by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: drypowder

“why don’t they just abort the mothers? that way they won’t get pregnant again.”

Considering a lot of these abortions are forced why not abort the father who got them pregnant?


30 posted on 03/08/2016 8:54:28 AM PST by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Eccl 10:2
But we have to praise each victory, no matter how small.

Not when it's actually an utter defeat.

31 posted on 03/08/2016 8:55:04 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Eccl 10:2
We have to fight on every front, tactically as well as strategically.

This bill is sick, and virtually every regulationist bill today is a surrender of the only real moral, constitutional, and legal arguments against abortion on demand. So, there is no tactical or strategic victory here at all. When you surrender you're a casualty.

32 posted on 03/08/2016 8:57:50 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: cornfedcowboy

“Yes, this bill exposes a wonderful argument for life. Kudos to the legislator.”

Yes. I didn’t mean to sound like I was attacking the legislator in my post. It’s the practice of abortion I find sub-human.


33 posted on 03/08/2016 9:07:44 AM PST by Pravious
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To: Morgana

“Considering a lot of these abortions are forced why not abort the father who got them pregnant?”

Oh? Where’s there a law giving a father the right to force a woman to have an abortion?


34 posted on 03/08/2016 9:08:51 AM PST by Pravious
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To: Morgana

Make the “Doc” take it!


35 posted on 03/08/2016 9:26:00 AM PST by G Larry (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Ping


36 posted on 03/08/2016 9:29:02 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Vote Tom Hoefling 2016 to restore our God given unalienable rights and Liberty's)
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To: Morgana

I guarantee you that the fang-tooth feminazis will fiercly oppose this. Anything that admits that the baby is a sentient human is opposed by the abortionists.


37 posted on 03/08/2016 9:34:32 AM PST by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: EternalVigilance
"But we have to praise each victory, no matter how small."

Not when it's actually an utter defeat.

So any lives saved if this bill is enacted are of no consequence. The only victory is complete and utter victory? The U.S. Supreme court won't allow that type of victory anytime in the near future.

38 posted on 03/08/2016 9:37:13 AM PST by FreedomOfExpression
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An anesthesiologists is one of the first things an abortionist cuts to save money when they have one for the women never mind the baby. What do they do? They train some smhuck with an 8th grade level of education to do the job. Really! That is what they will do there. This is not end well but that is okay, Operation Rescue will have their work cut out for them when those jobs get botched.

For starters, let's look at what actually requires:

76-7-308.5. Administration of anesthetic or analgesic to an unborn child.
A physician who performs an abortion of an unborn child who is at least 20 weeks gestational age shall administer an anesthetic or analgesic to eliminate or alleviate organic pain to the unborn child [that may be] caused by the particular method of abortion to be employed,

So, it says NOTHING about needing an anesthesiologist, it simply says that an anesthetic or analgesic to "eliminate or alleviate" organic pain. In other words, a shot of Valium into the baby is sufficient.

Secondly, we're only talking about abortions after twenty weeks. At nineteen weeks and six days the baby gets NOTHING

But none of this is the issue. The REAL ISSUE is that the baby is acknowledged to be a PERSON and this bill DENIES the baby's Fourteenth Amendment rights.

This bill is just another GOP ploy to keep abortion "safe and legal and rare." It won't save a single baby, but it will be lauded in fund-raising campaigns across the country.

Plus I wonder one thing, does the drug the anesthesiologist use mess up the fetus so that Stem Express can’t use it?

I can't imagine how it would. People get anesthetic shots every day, it doesn't affect their organs.

39 posted on 03/08/2016 9:45:57 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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So any lives saved if this bill is enacted are of no consequence.

This bill has NOTHING to do with saving lives, it's about giving babies a shot before they are executed.

The only victory is complete and utter victory?

No, but there's no victory here.

The U.S. Supreme court won't allow that type of victory anytime in the near future.

SCOTUS made it clear back in 1973 that they don't need to be involved at all.

Many SCOTUS rulings simply state that a law is unconstitutional THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN OR HOW OTHER LAWS AFFECT IT. The opinion will then typically point out what revisions need to be made to this or other laws to bring it into conformity with the Constitution.

Roe v. Wade was one of those rulings. Blackmun gave EXACT INSTRUCTIONS on how to end abortion constitutionally, but these instructions were ignored in favor of killing 60 MILLION Americans.

A genuinely pro-life Congress and/or president could end abortion today FOREVER. SCOTUS doesn't need to be involved, none of this "pro-choice-by-state" nonsense, just make abortion another tragic lesson like slavery.

40 posted on 03/08/2016 10:04:19 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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