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Thinking Biblically About the Economy, Government, and Your Money (John MacArthur)
Grace to You (you tube video) ^ | June 18, 2012 | John MacArthur

Posted on 03/04/2016 12:02:14 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Excerpt from the transcript:

Tonight I want to talk to you a little bit, kind of like a family talk. This is not really a sermon, I wouldn’t call it a sermon because I’m not even sure what I’m going to say myself. So I have a lot more things to say than I will have time to say and I don’t want to drag it out, but I want to try to help you have a bit of a biblical perspective on the situation as we face it in our world and in our country today. I want to talk about biblical economics. Everybody is highly aware of the mega-shift in economics, mega-shift in finance. We’re all very much aware of rising unemployment, people losing their jobs. Very much aware of the fact that taxes keep going up, that the government is passing more and more bills, more and more legislation that is essentially going to reallocate wealth from people who have it ostensibly to the people who don’t have it, shifting economic situations are well, well known to all of us.

My intention is not to talk about the politics of any of that. My intention is simply to talk about how we respond biblically to what is going on. A few things to say at the very beginning. Whatever happens economically in the United States has no direct effect on the church...it has no direct effect on the church. The church exists as a completely independent organism. The Kingdom of Christ has no connection to the kingdoms of this world. It doesn’t matter whether you’re in a capitalistic culture or an absolutely communistic culture. It doesn’t matter whether you’re in a monarchy or whether you’re in anarchy. What happens in the world, what happens politically, what happens economically in the world neither retards or expedites the development of the church. The Kingdom of God works by power that is transcendent to the world. It operates under the divine purpose and the divine hand and is not subject to the whimsies and the shifting changes in human cultures from nation to nation which exists, that form of government, that form of economics, that social structure has no direct impact on the church.

It has an indirect impact on the church insofar as Christians respond to it and maintain their stewardship. And that’s what I’m concerned about...that’s what I’m concerned about. I’m concerned because obviously the government is taking more money from people who have money than it ever has in the past and it will continue to do that. It’s going to do that because that’s the agenda, that’s the socialist agenda that is being played out before us. There are many contributing realities that lead to that, but that’s precisely what is happening. And as the government determines that it must control every aspect of life. To maintain that control, money has to come into the government because the government is the controlling agency in everything. And so the takeover will continue to be great. As it does, it will take money from people who have it to give it back to the people that they feel deserve it, even though they don’t earn it, which is a violation of a biblical principle, as you well know. You don’t work, you don’t eat.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biblicalprinciples; economy; government; money; work
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1 posted on 03/04/2016 12:02:14 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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If you don’t work, you don’t eat.


2 posted on 03/04/2016 12:06:17 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen


3 posted on 03/04/2016 12:07:44 PM PST by Theophilus (Always vote. Always vote your conscience. God wins every election.)
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To: Jim Robinson
To maintain that control, money has to come into the government because the government is the controlling agency in everything.

Long gold, silver, bitcoin, and lead.

4 posted on 03/04/2016 12:19:41 PM PST by bkopto
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To: Jim Robinson

Obama says the economy is doing great and we have nothing to worry about.


5 posted on 03/04/2016 12:23:52 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: Jim Robinson

Great article... Thanks for posting !


6 posted on 03/04/2016 12:24:30 PM PST by HangingTuff
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To: kaehurowing

Obama is an anti-Christ.


7 posted on 03/04/2016 12:24:43 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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..Dr MacArthur is a great man


8 posted on 03/04/2016 12:29:47 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: Jim Robinson
Our Bible Study group has used a lot of John MacArthur's study material, but, being Bereans, we have found areas where he drifts into "lukewarm" territory. This article drifts close to "itchy ear" territory.

If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord, then you are no longer in charge of you life, Jesus is, through the Holy Spirit. When you look for explanations of what is happening, you don't look to "theories of men" but you look into the Word of YHWH. Anytime you get away from the Word of YHWH, you run the risk of being deceived.

MacArthur says, "I never believed that this was a Christian nation, I don’t believe it ever was." If you study the original documents related to the founding of the United States and ship the liberal rewriting of history, you know that YHWH thought this was a Christian nation, and He blessed it as long as He was the center of community life.

The nation that has killed 55 million babies is under judgement from YHWH. Reading the signs of the times, it is apparent that He is done with the United States of America.

We have been under judgement ever since the 1962 School Prayer ruling. The first official Muslim Brotherhood front organization founded in the U.S. was the Muslim Students Association (MSA), established on the Urbana-Champaign campus of the University of Illinois in 1964. The Muslim Brotherhood is a type of the Assyrian that YHWH used to bring judgement on the 10 tribes that made up Israel. Al Qaeda is an off-shoot of the Muslim Brotherhood. Their 9/11 attack was a perfect fulfillment of Isaiah 9:8-13.

Since the 1973 Roe v. Wade things have really gotten worse. Since then we have never won a war, before then we never lost one. With Obama we finally got Isaiah 3:4-5 "I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them. The people will be oppressed, everyone by another and every one by his neighbor; The child will be insolent toward the elder and the base to the honorable."

All this moral decay was initiated by Judges, just as the moral decay in Sodom and Gomorrah was, according to the Jewish sages, initiated by Judges. That puts us as "in the days of Lot" (Luke 17:28-37). The "great sign in the heavens" from Revelation 12:1-2 actually occurs on September 23-24, 2017. See the image at: http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_1y_hLqVXf4/maxresdefault.jpg

Luke 11
2 So He said to them, “When you pray, say: Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.

3 Give us day by day our daily bread.
4 And forgive us our sins, For we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one.”

Nelson, Thomas (2009-02-18). Holy Bible, New King James Version (NKJV) (p. 1009). Thomas Nelson. Kindle Edition.
9 posted on 03/04/2016 12:38:10 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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Says nations are not Christian, people are Christians.

America was founded by Christians and once was populated by Christians but our wayward government has been and is trying to change that.


10 posted on 03/04/2016 1:02:49 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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Yes, and when the people turn away from God it has never worked out well for the nation.


11 posted on 03/04/2016 1:09:05 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Let’s talk money for a moment ....
I have lived a debt-free life since 1986, when I paid off my AMEX card. I had a Diner’s Card, but closed that, in 1985.

I have been fortunate since 1986 to live where there is public transit systems, and an occasional cab or two, for both work and pleasure.

Some folks won’t like to hear that I have chosen an apartment lifestyle, thinking that I never bought a home. I owned two of them, and that was enough. One of them I sold to the u.S. Air Force via ‘eminent domain’, and the other I bought with the moeny I made from the previous sale. They might think that I never owned a vehicle. The last four that I bought, ‘off the lot’, I paid full in cash, with the least expensive costing $6000.00 in 1992. I’ve owned Fords and Cadillacs.

I have put all this forward, to give you the idea that, yes, you CAN, live without having ‘the company store owning your soul’. Just think how much of your money would be your’s, if those darn pesky plastic-created bills did not exist, and what latitude you would have. Also think how much lower your bills would be, if that ever increasing interest rate was not there.

It is true that money is only a tool, and not a means. How does that square in your mind? When a tool becomes something to adore, it is no longer a tool, but a chain that you make. When you are defined by a tool, your character is misshapened. Become identified by the tool, then remove that tool and what are you?

It’s true, that there is a buzzard in the White House who thinks that your money, that you worked to get, and that you have saved, does not belong to you, but is his to claim at any moment.

How devastated would you be, other than not having a tool?
Could you still be defined as ‘you’, or would you be ‘tool-less’, impotent, and less in character?

I suggest you look at Old Testament Joseph.


12 posted on 03/04/2016 1:24:23 PM PST by Terry L Smith
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13 posted on 03/04/2016 1:33:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks for posting this. No nation, state, community, family or human being prospers when they turn their back on God and his Word (The Bible). God bless you and your family.


14 posted on 03/04/2016 1:36:05 PM PST by Tudorfly (All things are possible within the will of God.)
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Brings to mind the times the word “nations” is used in the Old Testament and at times literally means “gentiles.” So I am going to have to see what the difference is in the context of His words or when He is speaking directly to the nations.

Child sacrifice had national consequences, in particular, invasion and conquest.


15 posted on 03/04/2016 1:47:26 PM PST by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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To: Jim Robinson; SubMareener
Jufge Joseph Story's Opinion (click here)

The United States Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story (1779-1845), a participant in the
deliberations for and applications of the Bill of Rights, the Amendments to the Constitution,
maintained that the United States was established as a Christian nation, and here are two of
his remarks, faithful to their context:

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Regarding the Nation:

"It is, indeed, difficult to conceive, how any civilized society can well exist without them.
And at all events, it is impossible for those, who believe in the truth of Christianity, as a
divine revelation, to doubt, that it is the especial duty of government to foster, and
encourage it among all the citizens and subjects."

. . . . .

Regarding the First Amendment

"The real object of the amendment was, not to countenance, much less to advance
Mahometanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity; but to exclude all
rivalry among Christian sects, and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment,
which should give to an hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government."

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John MacArthur's opinion is wrong.

16 posted on 03/04/2016 1:58:09 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Jim Robinson

AMEN!

My first tagline was *Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.*

Sadly, it has become that. And they think it’s a right.

I lived in a welfare town for 18 long years and the system is abused start to finish.

I *HATE* welfare.


17 posted on 03/04/2016 2:02:13 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: imardmd1

Yes, America was founded as a nation of Christians.


18 posted on 03/04/2016 2:05:12 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Working right now. Ping for later heh.


19 posted on 03/04/2016 2:14:08 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: imardmd1

As I said, one has to avoid the liberal rewrite and go back to the original documents.


20 posted on 03/04/2016 2:20:05 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR!)
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