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Atheist lawmaker's prayer sets off Arizona House dispute
Associated Press ^ | Mar 3, 2016 5:58 PM EST | Bob Christie

Posted on 03/03/2016 5:43:19 PM PST by Olog-hai

An atheist member of the Arizona House denied the chance to deliver the chamber's opening prayer by majority Republican leaders last month got the opportunity Thursday, only to see leaders rule his prayer didn't pass muster and call up a Christian pastor.

The opening prayer by Democrat Juan Mendez included a call to work to help the state and its residents flourish and to "honor the Constitution and the secular equality it brings." But he didn't pray to any deity, which infuriated some Republicans who are Christians.

Mendez said before the session that he had been invited to deliver the opening prayer by majority Republican leaders and that he didn't plan to invoke God. ...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: atheism; juanmendez; liberalagenda; secularism

1 posted on 03/03/2016 5:43:19 PM PST by Olog-hai
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2 posted on 03/03/2016 5:47:37 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Olog-hai

Unsurprisingly, he’s a Sanders devotee.


3 posted on 03/03/2016 5:52:06 PM PST by madprof98
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To: Olog-hai

Some folks just luv, luv love being the bobbing, oversized turd in the Punch Bowl of life. They feed on our discontent.
“How do you like me now?” Best to ignore as much as possible.


4 posted on 03/03/2016 5:55:21 PM PST by lee martell
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To: Olog-hai
Atheists must think the Muslims will kill them last.

Nope, first.

5 posted on 03/03/2016 5:57:39 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Olog-hai
Good...Atheists don't have prayers. But bet he's got a pocketful of bills that say In God We Trust.

Hypocrite

6 posted on 03/03/2016 5:59:09 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: madprof98
.. unsurprisingly, he’s a Sanders devotee ..


7 posted on 03/03/2016 6:00:07 PM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (Michelle Obama, The Early Years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBYGxBlFOSU)
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To: Olog-hai

What denomination of Christianity where the members of the House?


8 posted on 03/03/2016 6:03:32 PM PST by Dallas59 (Only a fool stumbles on things behind him.)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie

Oh, the devil you say.


9 posted on 03/03/2016 6:03:44 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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If I were “king”? If they couldn’t come to a consensus about a prayer, which is always possible, I’d just declare a minute of silence where those who believe are invited to pray for blessings and those who don’t can think nice thoughts.


10 posted on 03/03/2016 6:05:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Olog-hai

How can atheist pray when they don’t believe in GOD!


11 posted on 03/03/2016 7:11:09 PM PST by GailA (any politician that won't keep his word to Veterans/Military won't keep them to You!)
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how do you pray if you have nothing to pray to???

more like an affirmation, and darn it, people like me

12 posted on 03/03/2016 7:23:41 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - Luke, 22:36)
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At the end of the day, atheism does contain all the elements of religion.


13 posted on 03/03/2016 7:38:10 PM PST by patriotfury (May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tent!)
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Atheism is a religion in the sense that
not watching football is a sport.


14 posted on 03/03/2016 7:42:27 PM PST by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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Atheism is a religion in the sense of a vandal who removes the rain tarp on a rainy afternoon before the game.

Every atheist has a good in mind, which is to say, a god he serves.


15 posted on 03/03/2016 9:49:29 PM PST by RobbyS (What about the size of the national debt?)
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To: sparklite2

Arguing on principle, fundamental to the core of atheism, is the belief that God does not exist. In this case the atheist believes we have sufficient knowledge of all that is in the universe, regardless of the reality that we have very little knowledge of what is in the universe, or of what we believe is out there.

Additionally, I have spoken on several occasions with avowed atheist who believe somewhere in the universe there are advanced life forms to the human. In fact many believe this.

As God does not exist, it means we ultimately have faith that something came from nothing, (unless something always existed, which too requires belief or faith), and we believe the intricately precise and dependent order of life was the result of non-existence, extreme chaos, and disorder. This requires suspension of the 3ed law of motion, as if nothing existed, then nothing else could exist to react! If something did exist before the beginning which caused the “beginning,” (which is a physical contradiction) this would then require faith in an untestable theory that at some point after the “Big Bang,” or some other type of beginning, entropy must have been halted, so that the natural degradation of energy and matter could become more an more orderly. At the end of the day, this requires faith!

Since we now believe God does not exist, by default, we (or man) become the supreme arbiter of right and wrong.

Since man is no longer responsible or restrained by the notion of Gods rules, man gets to become the supreme authority of his own rules. As this belief has been the dominate political belief of the last century, it also means the morality and beliefs of humanist governments get to rule over society, as our rights to freedom are not inherent from God, but rather granted by the state.

At the end of the day, whatever one believes in, for the sake of this argument, God or man, it requires belief/faith.

At its core, belief (faith) in God would require caution and adherence to Gods authority, and sequential individual responsibility.

At its core, belief (faith) in man would require (and has required, as with 20th Century totalitarian Communism and Fascism), adherence to mans authority, or man subjected to man. As well, in this system, moral boundaries and those who espouse them become the hated enemy. Look at what is actually happening all around us today in society.

Both require belief (faith), and both elevate who they believe in to the place of authority and submission, and both give homage and celebrate their authority!

Incidently, to make things even more weird, besides atheism, there are some polytheistic religions in the world which also worship man, so atheism is not alone in this belief.

Atheism inherently requires and exorcises faith, elevates and worships man, and subjects man to men!

While the objects of worship are clearly different with different religions, whether legally recognized or not, atheism inherently possesses the exact tenants of a religion.


16 posted on 06/26/2016 8:00:50 PM PDT by patriotfury (May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tent!)
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