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Kasich, Cruz ballot paperwork challenged in Pennsylvania
WPXI.com ^ | February 25, 2016 | uncredited byline

Posted on 02/26/2016 6:47:22 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog

HARRISBURG, Pa. - Court challenges seeking to knock Republican presidential candidates Ted Cruz and John Kasich off the Pennsylvania primary ballot have been scheduled for hearings in March.

The challenge to Kasich was filed by a Marco Rubio activist and will be heard March 9. It questions the signatures collected to get Kasich on the April 26 ballot.

Two Cruz challenges will be heard March 10. One was filed by Carmon Elliott, a Pittsburgh Republican, who says Cruz isn't qualified to run for president because he was born in Canada. The other challenges the signatures collected to put Cruz on the ballot. "I learned in grade school on what is a natural born citizen," Elliott said.

While Cruz was born in Canada, his mother is an American citizen, making him a U.S. citizen, too.

Elliott argues that the criterion isn't enough to become a U.S. president.

(Excerpt) Read more at wpxi.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ballot; birtherism; election; president
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Generally our April primary occurs when it's all over but the shouting. Interesting then that someone is taking the time to do this.
1 posted on 02/26/2016 6:47:22 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

If Cruz does win the nomination it would be nice to have this settled in advance.

Big If.


2 posted on 02/26/2016 6:51:35 AM PST by samtheman (Vote Trump)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

No standing on the Cruz issue. Which isn’t right but....


3 posted on 02/26/2016 6:53:54 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
We say a little action when Hillary and Obama were running neck-in-neck in 2008, but almost nothing at the presidential level before or since.

These challenges are basically nuisance crap to consume opposition resources playing defense. They evidently feel that Kasich, as a neighboring governor with high name recognition, is a threat as well. I'm guessing this is also the Rubio camp.

If little Marco loses in Florida by the margin predicted, these challenges will be moot.

4 posted on 02/26/2016 6:54:38 AM PST by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: driftdiver

No, the article goes on to quote WPXI’s “legal expert” that this case likely does not have standing, but a similar one in Texas might.


5 posted on 02/26/2016 6:54:43 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Elliott argues that the criterion isn't enough to become a U.S. president.

Well, I doubt that Elliot suggests that Cruz is not a citizen at present. So, my request would be that Elliot show the mechanism by which he became a citizen as proof that he required naturalization. Since he did not need to go through any process to become a citizen, and was one from birth, Elliot has a lot of nothing to show. Rack this one up with the others.

6 posted on 02/26/2016 6:55:12 AM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I say . . . We saw a little action when . . .
7 posted on 02/26/2016 6:55:41 AM PST by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: driftdiver

If I get your drift, there is no standing to sue on the signature requirement either. If there is, what is the difference between the issues (petition signatures, vs. qualifications)?


8 posted on 02/26/2016 6:58:49 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Very weird (non sequitur) answer on that, too, that the court in Texas may have jurisdiction because Cruz is a senator from Texas.


9 posted on 02/26/2016 7:01:12 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

The fact of the matter is, if Cruz doesn’t have a CRBA or an American passport- which he hasn’t produced to date, he is not a NBC. He needs to apply for naturalization. Apparently Cruz’s father admitted that before returning to the U.S. and before little Rafael was born, his mother applied for Canadian citizenship. THIS HAS TO BE VETTED!


10 posted on 02/26/2016 7:03:23 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
Many people find that the process for being naturalized under Cruz circumstance is not a process, but I would submit that there IS a naturalization process. In order to be found a citizens, and to get a certificate that evidences this finding, Cruz or his parents have to submit the claim for US citizenship to adjudication. Until the claim is submitted and adjudicated in the applicant's favor (the process), the person is an alien as far as US law is concerned.

Additionally case law cuts squarely against Cruz. None of his rebuttals or responses have argued against the relevant SCOTUS precedents, even when those precedents have been cited in opposition to Cruz's name being on the ballot.

11 posted on 02/26/2016 7:09:55 AM PST by Cboldt
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I dunno about the signature requirement. Most of the obama birth lawsuits were thrown out for standing from what I recall.

You and I cannot challenge their qualifications unless we are running for the same office.

Probably a good thing overall as it would allow activists to clog the courts. A bad thing in some cases.


12 posted on 02/26/2016 7:10:19 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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-- I dunno about the signature requirement. --

In order to get on the ballot, a person has to meet several requirements. One of these, in some states, is gathering signatures of supporters. Another, in all states, is to be eligible for the office sought.

What is inconsistent on the part of the courts is that they are willing to entertain a remedy for one criteria (signatures), but not another (qualification to hold office). The "standing" rationale says that no voter is affected if a name wrongly appears. That answer doesn't distinguish WHY the name wrongly appears, just that ineligible names on the ballot are a harm with no right to a remedy, unless you are an opponent on the ballot; or that the venue to remedy the harm is electors and Congress, not the courts.

13 posted on 02/26/2016 7:19:58 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: New Jersey Realist
The fact of the matter is, if Cruz doesn’t have a CRBA or an American passport- which he hasn’t produced to date, he is not a NBC. He needs to apply for naturalization. Apparently Cruz’s father admitted that before returning to the U.S. and before little Rafael was born, his mother applied for Canadian citizenship. THIS HAS TO BE VETTED!

You can bet that if the GOP doesn't check this, and in the now unlikely scenario that Cruz is the candidate (or the VP candidate), the Dems will initiate a full Court press.

14 posted on 02/26/2016 7:21:17 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: driftdiver

How do you know that it the matter has yet to be heard?


15 posted on 02/26/2016 7:23:56 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Cboldt

Probably because the signature requirement is controlled locally and is a requirement to be put on the ballot. Local laws

Eligibility under the US Citizen NBC requirement is a Federal issue.


16 posted on 02/26/2016 7:35:09 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: AmericanVictory

Because from a layman point of view these types of cases have been brought numerous times and they have always been thrown out for lack of standing.

The only cases which proceed are those which argue a different legal issue.

Only other candidates can sue on the citizenship question.


17 posted on 02/26/2016 7:36:59 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Pennsylvania: One of the central divisions of the
Northeastern Communist Block USA.

That’s all anyone needs to know.


18 posted on 02/26/2016 7:46:08 AM PST by Slambat
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To: Cboldt
The Legal Expert for WPXI-TV can't be any great shakes.

Personally I think they spent all the money on their traffic reporter.




19 posted on 02/26/2016 7:49:01 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: driftdiver

All the cases that concerned the fraud now in the Oval Office were brought after he was elected. That is different from a case brought at the state level under the laws of a state at the point where a candidate has just been placed on the ballot and the complaining party filed under state laws providing for challenges to placing a candidate on the ballot. So far in this cycle there are reports of several such ballot challenge filings. In the Illinois case the opinion of the ballot commission, conclusory as it was, found that there was standing. I believe the same is true with a ballot challenge filed in New York although the ballot commission ducked and said that an actual court would have to decide.


20 posted on 02/26/2016 7:57:08 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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