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Nevada caucus proves that both parties should insist on primaries
Hot Air.com ^ | February 24, 2016 | ED MORRISEY

Posted on 02/24/2016 5:29:29 PM PST by Kaslin

Last night, the Nevada caucuses got off to a raucous start. Ballots ran out. Allegations of multiple voting arose. Partisans ran ballot collection and counting operations. Officials sported shirts proclaiming their candidate allegiance (and not just for Donald Trump). In one case, the caucus didn’t actually materialize where advertised:

New: People registered for precinct 1303 in Sierra Vista showed up to caucus. There was literally no site set up.

— Elaina Plott (@elainaplott) February 24, 2016

Marc Caputo professed amazement:

Not enough ballots for some
No checking voter IDs
A poll worker wearing pro-Trump swag
These allegations about #Nevadacaucus are just wow

— Marc Caputo (@MarcACaputo) February 24, 2016

Welcome to the caucuses! A number of people on Twitter pointed out that their home states would never allow such politicking in voting locations. One intrepid researcher tweeted out Nevada statute forbidding it as well — but those statutes apply to state-run elections, not caucuses. Caucuses are private events run by the political parties, and as such they set the rules and run the show. Badly, as it turns out in this case, but Nevada is hardly alone in that.

That’s why caucuses are a bad idea. They are a nineteenth-century anachronism, one that should have been retired decades ago in favor of primaries for allocating delegates for presidential nominations.

Even when run reasonably well, caucuses are significantly inferior to primaries. State-run primaries have polls open all day, giving every voter a reasonable chance to cast a vote, and allowing for absentee voting for even broader participation. Caucuses are held at a particular time, which means that anyone who can’t make that meeting time can’t participate in their state’s selection of major-party contenders for the presidency.

The voting process in a primary is far superior. There is more oversight over voter identification and much better privacy protection for the ballots. Ballot counting either takes place electronically or under the supervision of all interested parties, or both. Even better yet, when races run close, primaries allow for effective ballot recounts, whereas caucuses do not.

A few people argued last night that Iowa knows how to run caucuses, and that the big problem in Nevada and other states has been a lack of preparation. While it’s true that Iowa has more expertise, the system itself is still flawed, as we saw in 2012 for Republicans and just three weeks ago for Democrats. In both cases, tight results highlighted irregularities in the counting and reporting processes, leading to weeks of uncertainty. The Des Moines Register called for “a complete audit of the results” from the Democratic caucuses in the wake of numerous irregularities cited by Bernie Sanders’ campaign, specifically in the counting of the ballots — which could not be recounted, thanks to the caucus system.

State-run elections aren’t perfect, either. Believe me, we know that better in Minnesota than most (although we too have a caucus system for the presidential primary). However, there is more oversight, better infrastructure, much broader access, and statutory law governing the election system, while the caucus system falls short in all regards.

Thankfully, the results in Nevada were so dramatic that even the irregularities cannot overshadow the Trump domination last night, but not every caucus will produce those kinds of lopsided results — as Iowa’s Democratic caucuses demonstrated earlier this month. Both the RNC and DNC would do well to insist that each state hold primaries rather than caucuses for delegate allocation, and those who refuse to do so can hold their events at the end of the primary calendar. The circus that erupted in Nevada and the failure to achieve confidence in the results of Iowa for the second cycle in a row tells us it’s time to put the nineteenth century to bed.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: caucuses; dnc; primaries; rnc

1 posted on 02/24/2016 5:29:30 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Some have suggested a national primary day. But, the current system sure shows how candidates can or cannot stand up to stress, and how they can or can’t deal face to face with opponents.


2 posted on 02/24/2016 5:39:30 PM PST by Sasparilla (Hillary for Prosecution 2016)
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To: Kaslin

I’m all for closed primaries, NOT spread out over 6 months, and the end of the insanity of a caucus.

That being said, I’ve seen little today to to prove that the “allegations” from NV were anything more than allegations.

Hopefully the rest of the states will be better prepared for the record turnouts


3 posted on 02/24/2016 5:42:45 PM PST by digger48
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To: Sasparilla

In time of desperation, the solutions sought for problems are seldom practical, but always radical.

This statement pretty well sums up the GOP primary election as well.


4 posted on 02/24/2016 5:43:00 PM PST by txnativegop (Tired of liberals, even a few in my own family.)
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To: Kaslin

In Nebraska, the Democrat party went the other way, switching from a primary to a caucus. Mainly because their primary isn’t until May and they were jealous of Iowa getting all the attention.


5 posted on 02/24/2016 5:46:53 PM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: digger48

I would be for a closed primary provided the time required to register as a member the party before voting was not inordinately long, maybe 15 days independents and 30 to 45 days for members of another party.

That would give independent voters plenty of time to register before an election but would help to keep members of the opposition party from intentionally skewing results.

Political party’s actually want new members and closed primaries would tend, I think, to discourage new members

(Says the guy who supported Reagan but voted for Jesse Jackson in the 1984 democratic primary)


6 posted on 02/24/2016 5:59:36 PM PST by Fai Mao (Just a tropical gardiner chatting with friends)
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To: Kaslin

Those guys on Mt. Rushmore, how many primaries with strictly democratic rules did they win?

Careful what you wish for! Do we really want DC political parties to have even more control than they do now? Really?


7 posted on 02/24/2016 6:44:48 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Kaslin

This issue arose during 2008, when Hillary was beating Obama in primaries (where votes were counted) versus caucuses (where “enthusiasm” counted); the caucuses were a back door to allow the Dem machine to (successfully) stop Hillary. While I prefer the primary system, I believe each state should do its own thing.


8 posted on 02/25/2016 4:13:28 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Kaslin

A lot of Hot Air (.com) from one Ed Morrissey, whose “solution” is to throw out the baby with the bath water.

Seems to me the real problem in NV (and SC, too) was simply that the state’s political parties held their caucuses on different dates, which allows everyone to participate in more than just their own caucus.

If Iowa’s Democrats didn’t hold their caucuses concurrently with the Republicans, I likely would have attended theirs, too, just for the Operation Chaos factor.


9 posted on 02/25/2016 9:42:43 AM PST by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson, 1824)
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To: newgeezer

ONE MORE TIME:

Democratic caucus rules allowed for people to register AT their Dem caucus-—and to vote that day—Feb 20, Saturday. There was NO way for any of those last second registration papers to be vetted for accuracy-—even to the point of that person even being a citizen. BUT-—the Dems count those votes gleefully.

HOWEVER-—The Republican caucus rules called for a person to be registered Republican by Feb 13th. Since that was a Saturday, effectively, you had to be registered by 5 PM on Friday, Feb 12 with the County officials.

I went to my caucus. It was polite & I saw no evidence of chaos. They may have run out of ballots, but more were being delivered all over N Nevada which I have first hand knowledge of. People waited for those ballots to come & they got to vote. No complaining-—quietly waited—over 100 at just one location.

I had to show ID to get in the building at 4:40 PM. Then I had to show either my driver’s license or my Republican voter registration card, which showed my precinct number on it. Then, the poll worker for that precinct—at a separate table, as were each of the other 5 precincts-—went thru my precinct roll book and found my name, etc. I had to SIGN that book, and my signature had to match the electronic one in the book. ONLY after all of this was I given a ballot. I was clearly told I could vote & leave or I could go into the gym & caucus at the table for precinct 26.

I went inside for about 2 hours. I had to give my name, phone number & address to the person monitoring the table & chairs for Precinct 26 after I got into the gym. We had a lively and polite discussion. I left at 6:40 PM or so. When I went outside, there was a line 2-4 wide for over 200 feet long, waiting to get their vote recorded. They were happy and patient about the wait. Extra parking had been opened up in the adjacent athletic field. We live rural, and that is not unusual-—even for school football games.

I saw no evidence of hanky-panky of any kind, and nothing that made me wonder what was going on.

As far as I am concerned, all of these stories are dirty tricks from the DNC & those who didn’t pay attention to the rules.

I did learn the next day that one neighbor about 6 blocks away tried to vote at the Republican caucus. He is a registered Democrat. He had to change his registration by 5 PM on Feb 12. He went without doing such a change & was indignant & pissed that they WOULD NOT LET HIM VOTE. This POS does nothing all day long but watch TV, so I am at a loss as to why he didn’t know he COULD NOT DO THAT at the
Republican caucus. His ranting don’t bother me a bit.

This was my first caucus, despite living in Nevada for 3 election cycles. I was impressed by the organization & the people staffing the event. All were polite & very helpful and knew the answer to questions.

All these stores are fiction, as far as I know & saw.


10 posted on 02/25/2016 12:45:28 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles
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Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me if I don't hang out here enough to have seen anything like that before.

So, the bottom line seems to be it wasn't caused by an influx of Democrats.

Rather, it was a bunch of first-time NV caucus goers who proved to be more gullible than the average American (thus giving Trump 46% rather than the usual something in the thirties).

11 posted on 02/25/2016 12:59:53 PM PST by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson, 1824)
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