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The Recession Isn’t a Few Months Away ... It's Already Started
Economy and Markets Daily ^ | 02/21/2016 | Harry Dent

Posted on 02/21/2016 11:29:14 AM PST by SeekAndFind

So the S&P 500 is out of correction for now and the coast is clear. NOT! This is exactly what we've been predicting would happen – after reaching new lows, stocks would have to bounce before they inevitably resume their longer-term trend, which is down.

But stocks haven't been the only victims of late. Just a couple weeks ago the January nonfarm payroll report came in at 151,000 jobs. So much for the expected 190,000! And of the ones reported, they were mostly low-wage jobs.

Pile that on top of the disappointing Christmas and retail sales in December. Not to mention falling stock earnings and sales growth, the worst December-to-January stock performance to date, and another banking crisis looming in Europe, especially Italy. There's economic weakness everywhere you look!

All of this is leading me to believe that the next recession – which will lead into an even greater DEPRESSION – is not a few months away. I think it's already begun.

Think back to the Great Recession in 2008. By the time we figured out it had started, it was months after the fact. It officially started in January 2008, three months after the stock market peaked in early October. And jobs didn't peak and start to decline until four months later that May. Only then did the stock market see its sharp and deep crash between June and early November.

Well, of course it did! The jobs report is a lagging indicator! It doesn't tell us anything about where we are now, which is probably why the Fed and markets-on-crack love it. Yet they think it's the most important report that comes out. Go figure. (By the way, real estate is another lagging indicator, and Lance will have more on that for you tomorrow to tell you where we've been, and to give you an idea of where we're going.)

David Stockman recently pointed out a better indicator for jobs that his colleague Lee Adler tracks.

Unlike the nonfarm payrolls report, where there's a lot of room to fudge the numbers, this other indicator is in real time and goes right to the source: payroll! Specifically, payroll taxes that the IRS withholds from businesses.

It's pretty obvious that if the IRS is withholding fewer payroll taxes, then there aren't as many people on payroll. As it turns out, the trend in monthly data has been clearly downward since 2011. And the last two months are worse. Lee Adler's daily data shows that jobs flattened in December and declined 5% in January.

Given that this is in real time, sounds like we're already in a recession!

But let's take a look at another indicator that shows we're already there. This one most surprised me: the Restaurant Performance Index. What sector would you expect to benefit more from freed-up spending thanks to lower oil prices? But look where it is today:

SEE CHART BELOW

By falling below the 100-level line, restaurants are officially in a period of contraction. The index fell to a negative reading of 99.7 in December from 101.3 in November. That's a 1.6% drop in a month! We haven't seen a drop this steep since late 2007!

It gets really ugly when you start digging into the index. Among the eight indicators that make it up, the December decline occurred in all of them.

For example, 73% of restaurants reported higher same-store sales in July. As of December, only 42% of them do. Ouch.

And whereas only 13% of restaurants were reporting lower same-store sales in April, now it's 43% – more than the 42% on higher same-store sales I just mentioned. Sure, it's higher by just a percent, but still, that's a pivotal shift in momentum!

Digging deeper, 33% of restaurants reported higher customer traffic, but 51% reported a decline. And a quarter of them see worsening economic conditions in the next six months. Only 12% see better.

That likely points to a key tipping point in December. All of which suggests that a recession either started in that month or January.

Of course, most of the economists or analysts in bubble land aren't seeing this. I can't say none of them because a few are finally starting to wake up!

After stocks broke below the support level at 1,820 on the S&P 500, we were bound to get another bounce. But a much sharper and larger crash is growing very likely between sometime next month and July – and that won't be the end of it.

We are not out of the woods yet. And we're in for a lot of volatility ahead, so don't expect things to settle down anytime soon.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2016issues; bhoeconomy; economy; goldbug; goldbugs; obamarecession; obamataxhikes; recession; uscrisis
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1 posted on 02/21/2016 11:29:14 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

You would expect, if there are problems, that initial unemployment claims would rise. However, they have not risen. This is a highly accurate number that is reported every week.


2 posted on 02/21/2016 11:31:03 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: SeekAndFind

I window shop pplmotorhomes.com off and on, pre-owned RV’s. Their inventory this month is MASSIVE. Never seen anything like it.


3 posted on 02/21/2016 11:32:04 AM PST by CelesteChristi
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To: SeekAndFind

I never knew we got out of the last one. I wonder when that happened?


4 posted on 02/21/2016 11:32:06 AM PST by Parley Baer
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5 posted on 02/21/2016 11:33:54 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I just like how they hide the severity of Obama’s economic disaster by calling it a recession.When if the truth were told its more like a depression.


6 posted on 02/21/2016 11:34:54 AM PST by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: proxy_user
You would expect, if there are problems, that initial unemployment claims would rise.
However, they have not risen.
This is a highly accurate number that is reported every week.


7 posted on 02/21/2016 11:42:13 AM PST by Iron Munro (WE MAY BE PARANOID BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY AREN'T REALLY AFTER US)
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To: proxy_user

A lot of people who are working multiple part-time jobs are probably not eligible to file and collect if they lose one or more of them.


8 posted on 02/21/2016 11:45:55 AM PST by PTBAA
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To: puppypusher
I watch the Bloomberg economic calender every week, have been for a year or so. At least 8 out of 10 reports have come in at the low end or below consensus estimates.

Regional manufacturing indexes, durable goods orders, factory activity to name a few surprisingly negative. Unemployment numbers have been fudged and do not reflect actual unemployment. Retail sales down. Corporations meeting and or beating revenue/profits...of downwardly revised estimates for months giving the illusion of health.

Based on my own rookie research, we've been heading into recession for months now. I worry the Obozo administration has been giving Americans a false sense of economic health and when Ca-Ca hits the fan, we will be in deeper trouble than most could even imagine.

9 posted on 02/21/2016 11:54:12 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Iron Munro

No, not that number. Initial unemployment claims is a hard number, and it is not adjusted.


10 posted on 02/21/2016 11:58:10 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: PTBAA

That is an excellent point. Or one or more of their employers might just cut hours.


11 posted on 02/21/2016 11:59:16 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: SeekAndFind

The last one never ended.


12 posted on 02/21/2016 12:09:21 PM PST by kaehurowing
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My ex filed for unemployment and was $700 too short to qualify. People are making less,reduced hours to avoid obamacare, several part time jobs that pay less for chronically unemployed. That must impact the numbers giving a false estimate of numbers?


13 posted on 02/21/2016 12:48:20 PM PST by chit*chat
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To: puppypusher

“When if the truth were told its more like a depression.”

Yes we are likely in the beginning of a global deflationary depression and it won’t be over anytime soon.


14 posted on 02/21/2016 12:52:18 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: SeekAndFind

Dead wrong, the downturn is over, the market looks ahead. Expect higher stock prices due to an improving economy.

Just yesterday I paid $1.59 for a gallon of gas in Massachusetts. Amazing.

It is not just drivers that benefit, it is thousands of small and mid-size businesses that are paying much lower energy costs.

Add in low interest rates and if anything the economy will overheat in the months ahead.


15 posted on 02/21/2016 1:04:25 PM PST by Kenny500c
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To: SeekAndFind

Considering how many restaurants (fast food, pizza chains, etc.) now accept EBT cards, their decline in sales is even more alarming.


16 posted on 02/21/2016 1:07:29 PM PST by Right Brother
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t know the 2008 recession ever ended.


17 posted on 02/21/2016 1:13:01 PM PST by Angels27
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To: SeekAndFind

Most tech jobs appeat to be given to foreigners and except for nursing that’s most of the available employment. This isnt new. It’s been going on for at least five maybe six years


18 posted on 02/21/2016 1:19:56 PM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 -- 43 BCE))
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To: SeekAndFind
The Recession Isn’t a Few Months Away ... It's Already Started
It never ended.
19 posted on 02/21/2016 1:38:26 PM PST by lewislynn (Ted Cruz: " I'll never have 'a plane with my name" (or a Presidential seal))
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To: Parley Baer
I never knew we got out of the last one. I wonder when that happened?

I'm with you. I firmly believe that we never recovered from the last recession.

20 posted on 02/21/2016 2:17:35 PM PST by LibertarianLiz
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