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The feds have no constitutional right on most, if any, of this land within a state, including these National Parks, all of which each state and individual owners in each state should reclaim as their land.

The only constitutional permission I know of for the feds to acquire land on state property is stated in Article I, Section 8, Clause 17 of the US Constitution:

"Congress shall have the power...to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the State in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-yards, and other needful buildings"

You've also got the BIG problem of the unconstitutional Administrative State and departments like the BLM, both unconstitutional and unaccountable in its scope and overreach.

1 posted on 02/18/2016 1:02:18 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

It’s well past time for THE PEOPLE of the West to establish new governments that will ignore FedZilla and refuse to recognize its authority on SOVEREIGN state territory. Such a change needs to happen one county at a time, with constitutional sheriffs who will not tolerate unconstitutional activity.


2 posted on 02/18/2016 1:06:29 PM PST by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: Jim 0216

who do you think owns White House / Congress / State / BLM / Interior / EPA / DOJ

URANIUM ONE AND THE LIKE....

we the people aint squat.....
the Constitution is toilet paper
the Bill of Rights are a joke

we live in the USSA
America is gone.......


3 posted on 02/18/2016 1:11:42 PM PST by zzwhale (YEP)
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To: Amendment10

Ping.


5 posted on 02/18/2016 1:13:51 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Jim 0216

Keep reading.

“The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.”

To use Nevada as an example, the land in Nevada territory was land of the United States. When Nevada was granted statehood, only a portion of the land was designated to pass to the state, the rest was retained by the federal government. And if the land designated for transfer wasn’t available when it was finally surveyed, then that land didn’t pass. I think the Act can be found in 13 United States Statutes at Large (1864) starting at page 30.


7 posted on 02/18/2016 1:15:13 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Jim 0216

You are absolutely correct. I think there were French mercenaries mixed in with the FBI or BLM also, and CIA infiltrators to create a “crisis”. All this needs to be investigated and REPORTED.

The problem is the MSM which hides the truth and puts out all the disinformation to vilify the farmers, to keep us from unifying against this REAL TYRANNY and KILLING of patriots by our unconstitutional government..


10 posted on 02/18/2016 1:17:04 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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The general thought of the mainstream radical liberal is that the most effecient use of natural resources is to have every one live in high density urban environments (cities). Personal vehicles will not be allowed. Nature will be “saved”

Those few needed to grow food will be allowed to stay in rural areas. The rest will be re-located to urban areas either through a legislative death of a 1000 small cuts or forcefully.

12 posted on 02/18/2016 1:19:04 PM PST by llevrok (To liberals, Treason Is the New Patriotism)
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To: Jim 0216

Let me summarize the how: illegally!


13 posted on 02/18/2016 1:19:36 PM PST by subterfuge (TED CRUZ FOR POTUS!)
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To: Jim 0216

The key is .. “Other needful buildings,” which obviously presumes that the federal leviathan will ONLY ACQUIRE LAND THAT IT MUST HAVE TO FULFILL ITS CONSTITUTIONAL DUTIES. Any other acquisitions should be seen as HOSTILE TO THE STATES. In fact, that is exactly what has materialized, proving the wisdom of the Framers.


15 posted on 02/18/2016 1:34:48 PM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: Jim 0216

Cliven Bundy owns 140 acres of private property. The title to that land goes back, from owner to owner, back to the Federal Government acquisition from Mexico. Do you think Cliven recognizes the chain of ownership of his own private property?

If so, it’s the same chain of ownership that the Federal Government has now to the public lands. He can’t have it both ways.


26 posted on 02/18/2016 2:09:41 PM PST by frankenMonkey
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To: Jim 0216; All
The question of the extent of Congresss constitutional authority to own and control land is one of the biggest messes that I have seen concerning the Constitution. This is because it concerns the rules of statehood by the Continental Congress, rules which have evidently been forgotten, ignored or wrongly interpreted by low-information members of Congress. So it is a challenge to reverse-engineer the many pieces of the puzzle to get a good overview of how the Founding States had intended Congress to admit a new state to the Union.

Patriots should consider the following video by the late(?) Steven Pratt.

Steven Pratt, Bound by Oath to Support THIS Constitution

Pratt references the Resolution of 1780.

1780 RESOLUTION ON PUBLIC LANDS

Pratt claims that Congress ignored the Resolution of 1780 for the last 12(?) states, the western states I believe, that were admitted to the Union.

A tangle of viable topics related to this issue which I will not address at this time include Supreme Court cases dealing with treaties with Native Americans, water rights, slavery, Congresss naturalization powers (1.8.4), Conresss constitutionally express power of land disposal (4.3.2), and state sovereignty.

30 posted on 02/18/2016 2:35:53 PM PST by Amendment10
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