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Contemplating a US-Russia Alliance
ISRAPUNDIT ^ | Feb 15/16 | Ted Belman, Alex Maistrovoy

Posted on 02/15/2016 12:26:33 AM PST by tedbel

Before Donald Trump’s blowout win in New Hampshire he shocked the world by saying he would allow the Russians to do the "dirty work" and would “Let them beat the shit out of ISIS also.”. Trump went further, “I have always felt that Russia and the United States should be able to work well with each other towards defeating terrorism and restoring world peace, not to mention trade and all of the other benefits derived from mutual respect,”

Putin, responded by saying: "He (Trump) says that he wants to move to another level of relations, to a deeper level of relations with Russia. How can we not welcome that? Of course we welcome it."

The condemnation of Trump for his remarks was immediate but certainly not universal. Many American’s are beginning to see Russia in a new light.

Until the fall of the USSR, the 20th Century was dominated by an ideological struggle between American capitalism and Russian communism. But now that Russia has abandoned communism and the US is embracing socialism, as seen by the Sander’s victory in the New Hampshire primary, the two powers are more alike than ever before.

But now we have a different ideological struggle to contend with, namely a civilizational war between the Christian/Secular West and the Islamic Caliphate. They are both inimical to each other. North America, Europe and Russia are natural allies in this struggle as they are different daughters of one civilization.

In the past, both Russia and the US have backed different Arab states or Muslim groups, including radical Islamists. The end result of this US/Russia enmity was to destabilize the ME and Europe and to allow an Islamic fifth column into America and Europe.

The reality is that Russia, Europe and the US desperately need each other.

(Excerpt) Read more at israpundit.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia; Syria; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; israel; putin; putinistas4trump; russia; russiaonthemove; sovietunion2; us
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1 posted on 02/15/2016 12:26:35 AM PST by tedbel
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To: tedbel

The enemy of my enemy... is my ally.

Not necessarily my friend.


2 posted on 02/15/2016 1:02:20 AM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: tedbel

The Russians never deal in good faith, rather attempt to screw you in a zero sum game

It’s like trying to make friends with Iran... the regime needs us as an outside enemy and they only see kindness as weakness anyway

Look at Putin ‘hitting ISIS’ like Trump says... their bombing isn’t anywhere near ISIS! So there’s the pattern you can expect in any foolhardy ‘US-Russia alliance’


3 posted on 02/15/2016 1:18:54 AM PST by Reaganite Republican (FREEDOM - OPPORTUNITY - PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Those in Syria who are fighting their government are terrorists, perhaps funded by the US. It seems they’re working with Turkey and ISIS. How does the region get stabilized unless they’re stopped, and the Kurds and Syria set up logical borders?


4 posted on 02/15/2016 2:17:10 AM PST by grania
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To: tedbel
Why are we in Syria in the first place?
5 posted on 02/15/2016 2:19:40 AM PST by McGruff (Flexibility is a good thing, but you shouldn’t be flexible on core principles - Ted Cruz)
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To: McGruff

ISIS.

Why is Russia in Syria?

Prop up Assad.


6 posted on 02/15/2016 2:42:52 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Reagan conservative: All 3 Pillars)
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To: Reaganite Republican
Look at Putin 'hitting ISIS' like Trump says... their bombing isn't anywhere near ISIS!

You're confused...its the Americans whose bombing isn't anywhere near ISIS not the Russians. Don't worry though PBS made the same error!

7 posted on 02/15/2016 3:19:31 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: rbmillerjr

Maybe we should strike an allance with Russia? Let Assad have Syria. Together, who could stand againt us?


8 posted on 02/15/2016 3:44:24 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: tedbel

"Sater, the son of a reputed Russian mob boss, whose mini–storage locker contained two unlicensed pistols and a shotgun, actually worked out of a penthouse office in Trump’s new building at 40 Wall Street. Lauria, who pled guilty to a racketeering charge in the pump-and-dump case, later claimed in a memoir he published that he’d been on talking terms with Trump."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/05/26/inside-donald-trumps-empire-why-he-wont-run-for-president.html


 

Nutin to see there.  Just Trump bidness --  fog Ed about it. 


9 posted on 02/15/2016 3:53:36 AM PST by HLPhat (Preventing Global Cooling one tank full at a time!)
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To: Reaganite Republican

>>the pattern you can expect in any foolhardy ‘US-Russia alliance’

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3397187/posts?page=9#9


10 posted on 02/15/2016 3:55:36 AM PST by HLPhat (Preventing Global Cooling one tank full at a time!)
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To: McGruff

“Why are we in Syria in the first place?”

We are there because of the failed policies of Obama and Hillary. They decided to transform the middle east. They decided that if all the strongmen in those countries around the Med were replaced with democratic regimes, then there populations would no longer support terrorists and besides, democracy is good, right?

What did we get? Libya destabilized. Syrian civil war. Refugee crisis in Europe. Egypt nearly taken over by the Muslim Brotherhood. What Hillary forgot is that democracy installed in a country that believes in fundamental Islam only results in votes as to who should be beheaded next.

And, the dems claim that “Bush Lied, People Died.” How many people have died because of the lies told by Obama and Hillary?


11 posted on 02/15/2016 4:18:20 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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>“Why are we in Syria in the first place?”

Ask Ike.

[Eisenhower’s “Military-Industrial Complex” Speech Origins and Significance]

US National Archives

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg-jvHynP9Y


12 posted on 02/15/2016 4:28:58 AM PST by HLPhat (Preventing Global Cooling one tank full at a time!)
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To: HLPhat
Nutin to see there. Just Trump bidness -- fog Ed about it.

Yea, sofa king we toddid

13 posted on 02/15/2016 5:19:48 AM PST by Fhios (circa 2016: Truth will be outlawed unless pre-approved.)
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To: Fhios

 

 

Editor's Note, 8/10/15: Four years ago, Wayne Barett reported shady business deals ahead of Trump's flirtation with a White House run. After first exposing Trump's ties to organized crime in his 1992 book, Barrett looked into his most recent business dealings and discovered the following:

* One associate who was an "unindicted co-conspirator" in a massive 2000 stock swindle and escaped prison only by helping to convict 19 others, including six members of New York crime families

* Two associates who served prison time on cocaine charges
* Another partner prosecuted for trafficking underage girls after a dramatic helicopter raid on a yacht off the Turkish coast
* A pending lawsuit against Trump Soho that alleges daughter Ivanka, among others, made fraudulent misrepresentations

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/05/26/inside-donald-trumps-empire-why-he-wont-run-for-president.html


14 posted on 02/15/2016 5:33:26 AM PST by HLPhat (Preventing Global Cooling one tank full at a time!)
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To: Fhios

Was Ike penultimately we toddid too, Suuper genius?

[Eisenhower’s “Military-Industrial Complex” Speech Origins and Significance
US National Archives ]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg-jvHynP9Y


15 posted on 02/15/2016 5:41:43 AM PST by HLPhat (Preventing Global Cooling one tank full at a time!)
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To: HLPhat

We should have formed a defensive alliance with Russia when the Cold War ended, and dumped NATO.

Nobody would have been able to attack both the US and Russia.

THAT would have ensured the peace.

Instead, or one-world bozos kept wanting to extend NATO
into East Europe, and push Russia back into a corner (from which of course it would try to escape).

So now with O we are back to the same Cold War alignment as before —which makes absolutely no sense in terms of US interests.


16 posted on 02/15/2016 6:24:18 AM PST by CondorFlight (I)
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To: CondorFlight

>>one-world bozos kept wanting to extend NATO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg-jvHynP9Y

Yep.


17 posted on 02/15/2016 6:28:55 AM PST by HLPhat (Preventing Global Cooling one tank full at a time!)
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To: CondorFlight
>>We should have formed a defensive alliance with Russia when the Cold War ended

Yep - With this purpose in mind: "TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men"


18 posted on 02/15/2016 6:33:24 AM PST by HLPhat (Preventing Global Cooling one tank full at a time!)
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To: Reaganite Republican
I don't agree. I think a U.S.-Russia alliance is a good idea.

All nations act in their own self-interests, but I think Russia and the U.S. have far more to gain by alliance than enmity. They are natural allies, as two world wars have shown.

Russia has much to fear from war, but the Russians have proven time and again that they will fight rather than capitulate.

The Russians are no doubt unnerved by the feckless, reckless, and downright harebrained behavior of the United States under Democrat control and the frightening consequences of Western Decadence. It's easy to understand why they look favorably on a Donald Trump presidency.

The best possible scenario would probably be an alliance of Russia and the U.S.--and also India and China.

Such an alliance might even be able to prop up Europe until is finally succeeds in committing suicide by one method or another.

19 posted on 02/15/2016 6:34:00 AM PST by Savage Beast (We see an ocean of crashing waves, as black holes create a violent storm in the fabric of space-time)
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To: rbmillerjr

Makes sense, Assad is the leader, help him to beat off the NATO and US funded insurgents and he will be able to retake Syria and destroy ISIS. America too, has supported dictators in the past against insurgencies, which is probably the correct thing to do in most cases.


20 posted on 02/15/2016 6:41:28 AM PST by CMB_polarization
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