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SHOCK: Ford Makes Massive Announcement - Trump Was Right About Everything
Conservative Tribune ^ | 2/10/2016

Posted on 02/10/2016 5:42:19 PM PST by BlackFemaleArmyColonel

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To: AuntB; Lazamataz; HarleyLady27; All

Words are great. I guess a big divide exists between folks who find Trump’s liberal history a reason not to be convinced of his conservative campaign positions and those who choose to believe him regardless. Regardless of his past, he is not helping establish credibility about his more recent convictions when he says: “I’m very capable of changing to anything I want to change to”

For me, that is the leading issue: credibility. Trump supporters are like gamblers at the casino (say, the Taj). Even though the Roulette wheel has come up red a thousand times in a row, you are expecting it to come up black on the next turn, with all your money at stake. I have been raising this over and over again. Mostly, I just get flamed, usually with insults and obscenities, but no answers. I think it is unanswerable and just comes down to a feeling of desperation: the country is in such bad shape, Trump fans are willing to go with a wild card (sorry for mixing gambling metaphors) because they know he has the moxy to do big outrageous things regardless of what the whining liberal weenies say.


121 posted on 02/11/2016 12:18:08 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: JewishRighter

Shut up, you NOOB SCUMBAG.


122 posted on 02/11/2016 12:19:42 PM PST by Lazamataz (I'm an Islamophobe??? Well, good. When it comes to Islam, there's plenty to Phobe about.)
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To: Lazamataz

I’m reading a sarc tag between the words. Correct?


123 posted on 02/11/2016 12:23:25 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: JewishRighter

SHUT UP! SHUT UP!! SHUUUUTTTT UPPPPPP!!!!!


124 posted on 02/11/2016 12:24:29 PM PST by Lazamataz (I'm an Islamophobe??? Well, good. When it comes to Islam, there's plenty to Phobe about.)
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To: JewishRighter; All

You need to do some research. There is no bigger flip flopper than Ted Cruz, just during this election cycle. Donald Trump has been consistent, which the link I gave you proved. I ADMIRE Donald Trump for not being a blind partisan and changing his views over 69 years. These two parties are killing us. Stop using emotion, this is serious business.

Cruzers kept telling me last week that Trump did NOT get the vote 75% of Iowans....well guess what...Cruz did NOT get 88% of New Hampshire voters!

Look, Folks, why not pick a winner instead of the guy you think will represent your churchiness? It’s the only reason you have to vote for Cruz and represents THE problem.....identity voting...a black guy for the blacks, a Hispanic for the illegal aliens, and Hillary just because she says she’s a woman??

Donald Trump has PROVEN his leadership skills and his ability to wisely use money by running the MOST successful presidential campaign ever on a shoestring budget.....his FIRST political campaign. If you don’t have the intellectual curiosity to want to see what he can do for this nation, you’re just not playing with an open mind.


125 posted on 02/11/2016 12:25:25 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: JewishRighter
I can only speak for myself why Trump is my candidate...I'm 71 years old, own my own business, meet people, talk to people and pretty much know what they have to say about things...

I am voting for Trump for a number of reasons, main reason is he is an American, born on American Soil, built the American Dream, and now can see that America is in bad trouble...economy, financially, military, healthcare, taxes and immigration.

The other candidates don't click with me because the are all ‘owned’ by super packs, lobbyists, special interest groups, Wall Street...they are ‘taken’ care of and told what to say...Trump is self funding, he withdrew x amount of money from HIS business to fund his campaign, pay his staff of people, put gas and maintenance in his plane and helicopters, rent arenas for speeches...he is doing this on HIS own money, it's HIS company that he is taking money from to do this on...

Trump is trying to save our Country, because one: He's an American; Two: born on American Soil; Three: built the American Dream; Four: wants to help Americans have a Country that can produce for Americans once again...

I have the right to my opinions, and this is my personal vote that I am giving to him, I don't need anyone’s approval, I don't need to ask anyone about their feelings, I don't care about the other candidates, and I can live my life according to MY standards, and Trump fits what I think America Should Become Again!!!

126 posted on 02/11/2016 12:37:21 PM PST by HarleyLady27 ("The Force Awakens"!!! TRUMP;TRUMP;TRUMP;TRUMP!!! 100%)
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To: AuntB
Here's my favorite part: "Stop using emotion, this is serious business." Judging by the rest of the post, I think you meant "STOP USING EMOTION, THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS!!!" 1. It is patently untrue to say "there is no bigger flip flopper than Cruz". Donald has changed his position on every single significant issue. Every one. Other than nit-picking Ted Cruz on one or two issues, which are arguable, there's no there there.

2. Trump's changing views "over the years" have a) gone in one direction b) didn't happen over the years but virtually overnight.

3. I'm hardly voting my "churchiness" since I'm an Orthodox Jew (maybe I'm voting my synagogueiness). Either way, it is not identity politics to find virtue in a candidate that he is a man of faith and it accords with what our founding fathers said about the importance of Americans having morals and faith in order for the system of ordered liberty they designed to succeed.

4. Donald Trump has proven business leadership skills, which ultimately boil down to the greater glory of Donald Trump. He has never held any government post, which is a very different thing. In business, the object is profit, as it should be. In government, ideally, the object is service, discharging duties that faithfully represent the will of the people. It takes a person with a structured, systematic understanding of what our Constitutional form of government is and the ability to translate that to policy goals that inspire subordinates to follow. I don't see Donald Trump having any such systematic understanding. He seems to entirely believe that the same drive and determination that served him well in business can work in government. 5. Voting based on "intellectual curiosity". Now who is not taking this seriously enough?? The stakes are far too great for academic edification as a motive for voting. My intellectual curiosity is well satisfied by studying what Ted Cruz has said and done during his life which paints a picture of someone with a comprehensive understanding of our Constitutional system and of the principles of conservatism. Not only that, but he has actually demonstrated a courageous willingness to stand by those principles even when it made him very unpopular among his colleagues. And I find that very intellectually satisfying.

127 posted on 02/11/2016 12:55:43 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: HarleyLady27

I thank you for taking the time and effort to explain your views.

Please understand, I never suggested that you or anyone else are not entitled to your opinion or that you need my approval. I’m not sure where that came from in your remarks. I asked a question trying to understand something about Trump’s very loyal support.

The points you make about his appeal make sense to me and were reasons I was more positive about his candidacy in the early going. Then, I ran into some facts that reduced the weight of his positives. His financial independence is still a net positive, but its far from an inoculation against outside interests. He still is beholden to the banking industry that holds mortgages on a lot of his properties and provides him with the cash flow to maintain and fly that jet, etc.

His American birth and patriotism are also positives, but I see his ego transcending those values. He seems to regard himself and his march to the peak of Celebrity Olympus as the most important reasons for his candidacy. Naturally, this is a subjective judgment, so it cannot carry much weight.

Given Trump’s overall history and the weight of a fairly liberal track record, I also find it very hard to be convinced about what he wants to do for the country based on speeches alone, speeches which contradict a lot of what he has said before he declared. Again, a subjective thing, but he does have to overcome the burden of his liberal past.


128 posted on 02/11/2016 1:08:19 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: BlackFemaleArmyCaptain

And what does Trump plan to do about the IT jobs and the call center jobs and the accounting jobs and the medical service jobs and the hundreds of thousand of other jobs that corporations have moved overseas because the can do it cheaper there? Will Trump tell them how to conduct their business too?


129 posted on 02/11/2016 1:13:42 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: JewishRighter; All

You give no facts, links, or information, just your opinion...that’s what I mean by being tied in by emotion...facts don’t matter.
Trump has NOT changed his views as you say. Do some reading!

Cruz March 2015 during his announcement speech..yes we will pay him for over a year while he campaigns! Trump is using HIS money, not YOURs like Ted is. This is ALL he said about ISIS, Terrorism, the Middle east...it was all about Ted.

Cruz: Imagine a president who says “We will stand up and defeat radical Islamic terrorism”
“... and we will call it by its name.”

THAT’s it!

But he mentioned CUBA FIVE TIMES!
“torture in Cuba, growing up in Cuba, he flees Cuba, free Cuba from the dictator,
Cuba was not at a peaceful time.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/transcript-ted-cruzs-speech-at-liberty-university/2015/03/23/41c4011a-d168-11e4-a62f-ee745911a4ff_story.html

He barely mentioned immigration until Trump did!

Cruz Mar. 23, 2015
Instead of the lawlessness and the president’s unconstitutional executive amnesty, imagine a president that finally, finally, finally secures the borders.
And imagine a legal immigration system that welcomes and celebrates those who come to achieve the American dream.


130 posted on 02/11/2016 1:14:24 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: WENDLE
DO NOT BUY FORD!!!

Why not? Just because they essentially have gone Galt on America?

I find it very odd that so many here expound on the idea of going Galt over the government and unions, yet when it is actually happening scream and fuss over us to 'not buy' this or that.

Galt's Gulch has essentially become the rest of the world where production can happen...

131 posted on 02/11/2016 1:16:25 PM PST by EBH (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: AuntB; All

Candidly, I’m sorry I have to say this, but if that is your response to my post, you are apparently incapable of reason about this subject. You choose to ignore or deny plain facts (eg: Trump’s prior liberal record and his campaign conversion) while taking an utterly trivial fact about Ted Cruz (such as the number of times he mentioned Iraq vs. Cuba in one speech 9 months ago) and turning into an indictment of Cruz’s character, motives, qualifications. You finish off by quoting a passage from Cruz’s speech that openly contradicts your point that Trump is the first person who ever talked about immigration as a campaign issue.

We’re obviously not going to convince each other so, I’ll leave it at that.


132 posted on 02/11/2016 5:36:58 PM PST by JewishRighter
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To: AuntB

Consistently inconsistent...that's Trump. I'll take the more Conservative Iowans that the LIEberal socialists in New Hampshire any day. That goes double for the man who's funded the war chests of the enemy we've been fighting the last decade or more and sang their praises as recently as a year ago.

I know Trump's Trolls can't go far without trashing anyone personally or those who are even remotely religious so its a shame that you have resorted to such baseless attacks as well.

Our minds are all too familiar what happens when you elect someone with the morals of Bill Clinton and the narcissistic messiah complex of Obama. The country can't handle another "hopey changey" chameleon who's only adopted a conservative veneer a couple of months before announcement of his campaign. The myth of his "self-funded" campaign gets alot of air time, but its among the many tall tales put forth by the Trump team.

I'm not going willing to gamble the future with a man who can't even be faithful to his spouse and family. You can call it "churchiness", I call it CHARACTER...it matters.

133 posted on 02/11/2016 8:44:48 PM PST by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: central_va

The key to the situation was the relationship between Germany and Austria. The Powers which included the USA, could not make up their mind about the Anschluss because the French were terrified by the thought. Therefore the funds needed to shore up the German economy were not Forthcoming. But even before that in the fall of 1930, the American industrialists were unable because of the slowing the world trade, unable to maintain production. The English had erred in going back on the gold standard, so there were very, very little margin in thew world economy. Smoot-Hawley did not of itself cause the financial crisis of 1931, but it showed the fragility of the international economy, and how much wealth the war had had permanently consumed and how the reconstruction of world trade had not been accomplished.


134 posted on 02/13/2016 4:43:53 PM PST by RobbyS (What about the size of the national debt?)
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