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Active Shootings Are Just This Fast
bearingarms.com/ ^ | Bob Owens

Posted on 02/07/2016 7:54:30 AM PST by rktman

How do you think you'd respond in the event of a so-called "active shooter" situation?

Most of us like to think that we'd be able to respond quickly, decisively, and dare I say, it, heroically. The reality of the matter, however, is that the vast majority of people who haven't been properly trained to react would be standing there when the bullets start flying, thinking "this can't be happening to me," as they start taking rounds.

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Hesitate and you could be a casualty. Interesting concept for training. If your first thoughts are "this can't be happening to me", then you're way behind the curve.
1 posted on 02/07/2016 7:54:30 AM PST by rktman
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To: rktman

The reality is you won’t know how you will react when a gun is pointed at you or in some other active shooting situation until you’ve been through one. Some untrained people react quickly and effectively. Some trained people freeze up.

That said, training certainly tips the odds toward acting quickly and effectively. A lot!


2 posted on 02/07/2016 7:59:18 AM PST by piytar (http://www.truthrevolt.org/videos/bill-whittle-number-one-bullet)
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To: rktman

Wife thinks I am somewhat paranoid as I am always looking around, especially in malls, etc. Even stopping at the stop light. You never know when something will happen (and did to me by my not being aware).


3 posted on 02/07/2016 7:59:23 AM PST by rstrahan
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LOL! Lucky for me that Mrs. rktman now checks out exit routes just about every place we go. Now we have 4 eyes apprising the situation.


4 posted on 02/07/2016 8:06:05 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: rktman

Banglist (((ping))) for later.....


5 posted on 02/07/2016 8:12:09 AM PST by Envisioning (4.13.15 - That awkward moment in history when 53 million racists became sexists...)
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To: rktman

One of the arguments that the left typically tosses back at us is “How can you tell the good guys from the bad ones?”. I had to chuckle at the scenario videos because everyone was somewhat similarly clothed and outfitted. When the shooting starts do you shoot at anything that moves?

I recall an incident years ago when I took a date to a nightclub in downtown Seattle. As we were sitting there I noticed a group of Asians who stood out not only because they were dressed more for the gym than for a club, but also because they were antsy and fidgety. What I didn’t know was that they were one half of an ongoing rivalry that would soon explode in the crowded room.

What I did know was that I had done my diligence and picked a table where I could watch the room and that had an unobstructed access to an exit. Sure enough, they started their fight and the room went crazy. I was packing but didn’t need to unsheathe - the two gangs didn’t use guns (that I saw).

We made a hasty exit and was out of there before anyone else. Curiously, everyone else was going the other way - wanting to see what was going on.

Sitrep is you friend.


6 posted on 02/07/2016 8:14:51 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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LOL! I guess my one paranoid thing is back to the wall facing out so I can keep an eye on things. Amazing how many people are oblivious. Or are we just a little to high on the orange setting. :>)


7 posted on 02/07/2016 8:22:48 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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“The reality of the matter, however, is that the vast majority of people who haven’t been properly trained to react would be standing there when the bullets start flying, thinking “this can’t be happening to me,” as they start taking rounds.”

That’s because there are too many pansy-butted individuals, when compared to the still-alive number of military veterans, who know what to do!!!


8 posted on 02/07/2016 8:28:54 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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My first thought is “OH BOY! A CHANCE TO HAVE FUN IN THE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE!”


9 posted on 02/07/2016 8:30:28 AM PST by Lazamataz (I'm an Islamophobe??? Well, good. When it comes to Islam, there's plenty to Phobe about.)
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Fortunately I’ve never had a gun pointed at me, but I have been in several situations where I had to step in and stop fights, threw a guy twice my size across a bar to stop one, pitch in and help at car wrecks, other emergencies and the one thing I do know is I don’t panic. I was also trained to be part of the firefighter team in military, have enough first aid training to hopefully keep someone alive if need be, and have saved a couple of lives in emergencies when many people would panic and have no idea what to do.

In many cases these days people are afraid to get involved, due to frivolous lawsuits, especially those who decide to sue someone for trying to save their life.

Since I don’t carry, don’t have anything bigger than .22 or the money to take a firearm course, I would have to rely on my wits, at least for now. I like to think I would have sense enough to hit the floor and tell others to do the same, and if possible get behind the shooter. I have enough knowledge of hand to hand combat techniques if I can get close enough to get my hands on him the gun is not a threat...if it’s a knife I’ll walk right up and dare him to try it...I already know my hands are fast enough for that...even at 60 years old, I’m not that slow yet...(yes I’ve had a knife pulled on me before, long ago, but it ended with no injuries.)

If you are armed, it becomes a matter of can you keep your cool or will you panic? Drop to the floor, preferably behind something solid, wait, pick your shot carefully - other people are in harm’s way. And make your first shot count. It may be the only one you get...


10 posted on 02/07/2016 8:36:33 AM PST by Paleo Pete (I'm with the bomb squad. If you see me running, CATCH UP!)
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To: piytar

I was in a shooting where the fact that I was well trained saved my life. Pure reaction, if I had stopped to think about it I would of been dead.


11 posted on 02/07/2016 8:37:14 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: rktman

The same kind of things can be said with regard to simple first aid. Some folks jump into action knowing what to do, while others back off.

When the electricity in a place rises, I get OUT. I might hide around the corner with my 4x4’s though!


12 posted on 02/07/2016 8:37:37 AM PST by PrairieLady2
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To: Lazamataz

Like the opening scene from

Tropic Thunder,

“Peek a Boo”, I see You!


13 posted on 02/07/2016 8:40:17 AM PST by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: rstrahan

That’s called basic situational awareness, not paranoia, and it is your friend!


14 posted on 02/07/2016 8:53:06 AM PST by piytar (http://www.truthrevolt.org/videos/bill-whittle-number-one-bullet)
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To: rstrahan
Wife thinks I am somewhat paranoid as I am always looking around, especially in malls, etc.

At restaurants and fast food places, I used to sit with my back to the center so I could look out the window. Recently I began sitting facing the center (back to wall, window). Wife asked why and I explained Situational Awareness. She didn't say I was paranoid but did look askance.

Nowadays, she's pointing out where the exits are and automatically heads for a spot where we can keep watch on the rest of the place. One thing I told her was if we see an armored car parked outside the bank, box store, etc., we use the other entrance. If we happen to be there when the guys come out with bags in their hands, we go on high alert. She thought that was a bit much - until we started watching crime shows and saw some that where there was an attempted heist and bullets were flying everywhere.

All that being said, we were still a bit low key as we live in a somewhat rural area where "these things don't happen" (cough).

With the influx of all these Muslims, I feel like we will have move cafe, mall, public shootings, etc. as in Israel, and thus our SA meter now indicates high readings wherever we go.

15 posted on 02/07/2016 8:58:52 AM PST by Oatka (Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young.)
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To: rktman

Don’t want to hijack this thread, but maybe we should start one sometime where we can all share situational awareness tips.


16 posted on 02/07/2016 9:25:28 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Hey Pope Francis- The Gospels are not Matthew, Marx, Luke and John.)
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To: rktman
If your first thoughts are "this can't be happening to me", then you're way behind the curve.

My first thoughts will probably be "if I shoot this guy back, I'm probably going to jail for the rest of my life."

Yes, I know going to jail is better option than getting killed in a hail of bullets, but it's sad that either result will end badly for me.

17 posted on 02/07/2016 9:29:26 AM PST by SamAdams76 (Delegates So Far: Cruz (8); Trump (7); Rubio (7)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I think that there are instincts that some are born with. All the training in the world can’t fix someone who has a flight instinct but they are probably the ones who will survive.


18 posted on 02/07/2016 9:39:01 AM PST by Mercat
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To: rktman

I had to shoot someone that was trying to kill myself and some friends. Though I have always been a focused person and always calm. I don’t believe you can train someone to be focused and calm.


19 posted on 02/07/2016 9:41:22 AM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: rktman

My first year back to Chicago’s inner city from VietNam a teen gang killed 7 people on my block alone. I was not present during any of the killings. But I was present during beatings, trying to pull guys apart and calm things til the police arrived. I was present when guns were pulled to threaten and intimidate.

I tried to play cool and not be intimidated. I tried to talk reasonably to them. I knew I was protected and wouldn’t die. I probably stuttered and hesitated a lot and didn’t appear as cool as I wished.

I observed others who tried to reduce the violence in the area. I never figured out a correlation between their personalities, their agendas, and their behavior toward the violent gangs.

I had actually chosen to live on the corner that was the intersection of the turf of 4 street gangs. The other 3 gangs were into fist fights, bloody noses, but not killing.

For me, the biggest problem with violence, both gang and non-gang was that violent people are different when intoxicated. And I don’t know how to deal with drunks.


20 posted on 02/07/2016 9:42:19 AM PST by spintreebob
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