Robert "LaVoy" Finicum shot and killed while charging police, driver says

The Oregonian/OregonLive ^ | January 27, 2016 at 9:45 AM, updated January 27, 2016 at 3:43 PM | By Les Zaitz

[SunshinesStormySummerSon]

1. The men who died under his command and the families they left behind might not agree with your interpretation. In fact, Patton wouldn’t agree with your interpretation since you’ve take the quotes completely out of context.
2. A source is only “good” if it’s legitimate. Yes, multiple reliable sources are preferable to a single reliable source. However, quality always outweighs quantity.
3. Same as 2.
4. Are you familiar with the terms “obfuscate” or “irrelevancy”? They’re often used in arguments by people who don’t have adequate facts to support their point. Put another way, would you have been happier if she had used the term “vehicle”?
5. Did you actually think before you posted this question: how would it be possible to plan to video an event you didn’t know was going to happen?
6. I’m always interested in the points of view of “others”. That’s one of the reasons I love Free Republic. But, in the end, I draw my conclusions based on facts and logic without weighing whether they align with majority opinion.

[Tx Angel]

Exactly, Reb! Thank you for that.

[ponygirl]

McConnell was 100-200 yards away and behind the blockade of police vehicles. He even admits that he didn’t see it happen, but was piecing together information told to him from other people. When Ryan Payne put both hands outside the window as instructed and then tried to stick his head out the window to talk to them, he was fired upon. That’s when Finicum hit the gas, Sockman. But you wouldn’t know that since you refuse to listen to the audio. Might damage the narrative handed down by your overlords.

[ponygirl]

Smoking pot, drinking beer, and they consider themselves to be patriots??

LOL! You are such a fraud that it's actually becoming entertaining. Please, continue.

[dynoman]

Read posts 22, 35, 41

I actually questioned it but the poster saw it on the live feed.

[dynoman]

Can’t form solid conclusions yet. I’m not the only one saying that.

[dynoman]

I’ve never argued the feds shouldn’t turn over the video.

Just that it’s too early to convict the LOEs of murder like some here find so easy to do.

Bottom line is that LaVoy’s death was at the end of a bunch of choices that LaVoy himself made. No-one held a gun to his head and forced him to make those choices. In self defense this is the situational awareness concept, you base your choices on what presents the least risk. LaVoy was well aware he could die - but chose to be where he was and do what he did anyway.

Interesting article in this light;
Honesty versus Brutal Frankness
http://rebirthofreason.com/Articles/Stolyarov/Honesty_versus_Brutal_Frankness.shtml

[kiryandil]

ponygitl wrote:

McConnell was 100-200 yards away and behind the blockade of police vehicles. He even admits that he didn't see it happen, but was piecing together information told to him from other people. When Ryan Payne put both hands outside the window as instructed and then tried to stick his head out the window to talk to them, he was fired upon. That's when Finicum hit the gas, Sockman.

dynoman refused to respond to what is a substantive posting of facts.

Instead, dynoman wrote: Can't form solid conclusions yet.

So, dynoman - you COULD dispute the contentions posted by ponygirl.

Ask her for her source. Challenge what she posted.

Instead, you dance away with some lame post about "solid conclusions".

ponygirl wrote: "When Ryan Payne put both hands outside the window as instructed and then tried to stick his head out the window to talk to them, he was fired upon."

It's either true, or it's not true.

Does that help you, or are you still clinging to your Patton observations like a warm woobie?

[kiryandil]

I've never argued the feds shouldn't turn over the video.

You've never argued that the feds SHOULD turn over the video.

In 35+ posts on this thread.

[dynoman]

Good grief it is a given the LOEs should turn over their video. That’s not even up for debate or argument. Wow.

My main point is that everything Lavoy did was his own choice. There is no way people can say he bears 0% responsibility for what happened to him. No one on this thread got killed in the stand off because we made different choices.

[dynoman]

Interesting comments here;

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/militant_shot_and_killed_while.html

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WtBuffalo
8 hours ago

“I heard Victoria Sharp in the early morning of 01-27-2016 give testimony on a live chat. I clearly heard her say that, LaVoy “RAN at the cops shouting, Shoot me, go ahead, Shoot me, Shoot me now. And, They Did.” The commentators Asked if is she was sure. She Said Yes. The live chat said they were recording a live testimony. The site is down now. Now she is telling a different story.”

[dynoman]

Here’s another person who saw them smoking pot on the live feed, in the comments here;

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/militant_shot_and_killed_while.html

“I8BerryMentats

20 hours ago
No joking. On the live feed, the remaining terrorists have just started smoking weed. “

[FlyingEagle]

I too see it your way:

“Most of these people were not shot because fedzilla did not want them dead.”

Its kind of like the ISIS beheading some poor bloke. They only need one videotape to scare the populace. What the fed wants is a ferocious reputation.