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Yes, the feds had a plan for Malheur
The Reality-Based Community ^ | 1-26-16 | Mark Kleiman

Posted on 01/27/2016 3:43:49 AM PST by Gandalf the Mauve

One of the occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge is dead after a shoot-out with federal and state authorities. Eight of the crew, including ringleader Ammon Bundy and his brother, were pulled over while driving to a meeting in a neighboring county. Five of the survivors, including the Bundys, have been arrested, and a sixth man was arrested in a nearby town. The officers had arrest warrants charging several of the occupants of the car with "conspiracy to impede or injure an officer," a less serious charge than "seditious conspiracy" but still good for up to six years.

It's possible that they're in much worse legal trouble than that: the death of their co-conspirator might well be covered by the felony murder rule. The fact that the person killed was one of them has no legal significance; in general, if a group of people agrees to commit a felony which could reasonably be expected to put lives at risk, and someone dies, all are liable to the charge of first-degree murder.

The feds have announced that the remaining occupiers are free to leave the refuge: as long as they do so at once.

In the aftermath of the takeover, there was considerable grumbling that the Administration had not moved with sufficient force to retake federal property, especially after having been forced to back down in the Bundy Ranch confrontation. But it looks as if slow-walking the process worked well, giving the occupiers time to become a national laughingstock.

A recent story focused on the activities of the Hammonds, whose five-prison sentences this crew was protesting, made it appear that the Hammonds got no more than they deserved after a long career of not only ignoring the law but threatening violence against those who were trying to carry it out. In polite company, one does not threaten to wrap a man's son in barbed wire and throw him down a well. So far as I know, none of the pundits and politicians who expressed sympathy for the Hammonds -- all, for some reason, on the Red Team -- have expressed any sympathy for the federal officials they terrorized for years.

In this case, both the local sheriff and the governor of the state were on the side of sanity. Unfortunately, that was not the case in the Bundy Ranch confrontation. Of course I hope that the feds have a plan in their back pocket to collect the judgment against Cliven Bundy, and even perhaps a plan to indict, arrest, and try some of the people who pointed loaded weapons at federal law enforcement agents two years ago. But I'm not sorry that a bloodbath was avoided, even at some damage to the majesty of the law. And while I can't imagine that Barack Obama or Attorney General Loretta Lynch will ever claim -- or get -- the credit for how deftly the current confrontation was managed, they amply deserve it.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: blood4uranium; hammondranch; malheur; occupy; postandrun; sedition; vanillaisis; yallqaeda
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To: Darksheare

The Chinese, the Russians... this is starting to sound like the Columbia University communists that Larry Grathwohl infiltrated, talking about overthrowing the US and dividing up the land between Vietnam, Cuba, Russia, China, etc.

Interesting, too, that an EMP attack would leave our natural resources wide open for takevoer, which makes it a more appealing plan than something like a conventional nuclear attack or biological or chemical warfare. Biological or chemical warfare would require a time for the bio/chem agents to be eradicated, and a conventional nuke attack would cause similar problems in addition to destroying infrastructure.

I’ve posted quite a few comments lately, detailing why I think Obama plans for Iran to hit us with an EMP attack before Jan 20, 2017. Trump and Cruz need to start DEMANDING that we move our portable radar system to cover the hole in our south-facing radar defense, which is the entry point that Koran and North Korea’s delivery testing is intended to exploit. It won’t matter who wins the election if the USA is hit with an EMP attack, possibly in November or December while Obama is yukkin it up with his communist buddies in the southern hemisphere (where the effects wouldn’t be felt).


21 posted on 01/27/2016 7:36:07 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Gaffer
Well, it seems the Feds did eventually learn something 20+ years on since the Waco Massacre. Get them (i.e., Koresh) on a trip into town instead of playing Cowboy Nazi like the ATF (IIRC) storming the compound (got their asses handed to them) when they could have waited. What ATFs cowboy action got us eventually was 82 people killed, 22 of them children at the hands of Janet Reno (Bill/Hillary) and the FBI.

Not only did they get their asses handed to them, the only reason any of the ATF got out alive was because of the basic decency of the people they were attacking, as the Ferals had fired off all their ammo and had to get a cease fire to allow them to retreat. It's too bad the BDs didn't have lightened out load of feral overlords even further.

22 posted on 01/27/2016 7:45:34 AM PST by zeugma (Want to know what freedom smells like? Hoppes #9.)
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To: zeugma

THIS is when I decided Hillary and Bill were murderers. They slaughtered those men, women and children to make a power point, and the goddam FBI and the military (supposedly there as advisors) helped them do the killing.


23 posted on 01/27/2016 7:48:28 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: null and void
....as the NatCs...

I see what you did there! Good one! Kudos. :0)

24 posted on 01/27/2016 7:51:55 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Texas Fossil
The FBI has a much better reputation than the BATF in this type of situation.

Tell that to Randy Weaver and his remaining family.

25 posted on 01/27/2016 7:53:16 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gandalf the Mauve

Hey, you going to reply to your thread, or are you going to run away?
Looks like you chose “run away”.


26 posted on 01/27/2016 7:58:45 AM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: Gandalf the Mauve

And please, enlighten us as to why you are sad that there wasn’t more bloodshed.


27 posted on 01/27/2016 8:00:16 AM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: Gaffer

Yes, I remember Len Horiuchi.


28 posted on 01/27/2016 8:19:55 AM PST by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: Texas Fossil

Yes. Most Certainly. Lon had the distinction of being the only FBI killer present at both Ruby Ridge (where he murdered Randy’s wife and endangered her baby) AND at Waco.

He retired afterwards and I remember some outfit in NDAK, SDAK or Idaho starting up with TAC gear for sale hired him as a ‘consultant’. I wrote the site that I’d spend every minute of the rest of my life making sure they never sold a damned thing if they had to have Lon as its expert tactical sniper. They dropped his murdering ass not long after.


29 posted on 01/27/2016 8:44:16 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: null and void

Indeed


30 posted on 01/27/2016 8:59:43 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Gaffer
THIS is when I decided Hillary and Bill were murderers. They slaughtered those men, women and children to make a power point, and the goddam FBI and the military (supposedly there as advisors) helped them do the killing.

Not just Bill and Hillary. The entire feral government backed it up to the hilt. Kinda tells you something about the actual legitimacy of the government in general. Our government murdered those people in our name, and not a single person was ever called to account for it. Any government that can do this is intrinsically evil, and beyond redemption.

31 posted on 01/27/2016 9:15:20 AM PST by zeugma (Want to know what freedom smells like? Hoppes #9.)
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To: zeugma

That was the day I really lost my innate faith in the righteousness of this country.


32 posted on 01/27/2016 9:17:27 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gandalf the Mauve

So you’ll just post and run away.
How brave.


33 posted on 01/27/2016 3:08:30 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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To: Lazamataz

I like your style.

The ferals waited. Cornered. Sniped.

Shot in the face and 3 on the ground.

No rubber bullets. No water canons. No.

Killed him dead.

The man’s a martyr.

So are the Hammonds.
No deer carcasses were ever discovered in the original fire.
For the last ranch standing, somehow the BLM would not help them put out a fire that was going to burn their feed stock.
But the Hammonds are terrorists. Sure thing.


34 posted on 01/28/2016 4:02:32 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Darksheare

Typical troll.


35 posted on 01/28/2016 4:05:43 PM PST by Lazamataz (I'm an Islamophobe??? Well, good. When it comes to Islam, there's plenty to Phobe about.)
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