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'Natural Born' Issue for Ted Cruz Is Not Settled and Not Going Away
NBC News ^ | 01/18/2016 | Pete Williams

Posted on 01/18/2016 8:21:28 PM PST by SeekAndFind

While the nation's legal scholars differ over the exact meaning of the Constitution's requirement that a person must be a "natural born citizen" to become president, they're unanimous in saying Ted Cruz is wrong about an important point.

"As a legal matter, the question is quite straightforward and settled law," Cruz has said. "People will continue to make political noise about it, but as a legal matter it is quite straightforward.

In fact, the experts say, it is neither settled nor straightforward.

It's not settled -- because the Constitution does not define "natural born," a phrase that appears in the nation's founding document only once.

And though the federal courts have chewed on it from time to time, the U.S. Supreme Court has never officially said what it means.

It's not straightforward -- because at the time the Constitution was written there were different ideas about what the phrase meant and competing legal theories about where the power to confer citizenship came from.

The meaning of the term is so unsettled that scores of constitutional experts have been writing about it in the weeks since Donald Trump made it an issue in the 2016 campaign.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; tedcruz
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1 posted on 01/18/2016 8:21:28 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Many made the case here about Obama.

Now they ignore the Constitution for Cruz.

Go figure.


2 posted on 01/18/2016 8:22:15 PM PST by TigerClaws
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3 posted on 01/18/2016 8:25:12 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

and another post about Cruz’s citizenship!


4 posted on 01/18/2016 8:25:14 PM PST by mouse1
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To: SeekAndFind

Settled. Nonissue.


5 posted on 01/18/2016 8:25:27 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TigerClaws

I fully expect that within a week, the Cruzers are going to start arguing that since Obama got a bye, so should Cruz, and then we can call it even.


6 posted on 01/18/2016 8:25:27 PM PST by Yashcheritsiy (What good is a constitution if you don't have a country to go with it?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why doesn’t the Donald sue and have the court slap him down?
Answer - he doesn’t like to waste money and his attorneys already told him Cruz is a naturally born citizen.

But it does get the Trump cult excited, doesn’t it?


7 posted on 01/18/2016 8:26:54 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: SeekAndFind

So much for Donald’s word. Earlier this year he was saying that he had talked to the best lawyers and it wasn’t an issue.


8 posted on 01/18/2016 8:26:58 PM PST by dschapin
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To: Yashcheritsiy

A President Trump would release the real info on Obama.

Some might be using Cruz to prep for that. Tribe said McCain was eligible.


9 posted on 01/18/2016 8:27:23 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: SeekAndFind
If the losers who inhabit the Federal courts would just get off their heinies and issue an opinion, this BS would be all over with.

It's not rocket surgery.

It might take me a day or two, and I'm not even a legal guy.

OK, a week. :)

Examine the intent of the Founders, and examine the background of the candidate.

Obama's background should have raised ALL kinds of flags, but The Uniparty Media deliberately ignored the issue.

Of course, when it comes to Cruz, they'll write newspaper issues with 4 front pages decrying the "ineligibility" of Cruz, if it's to their advantage.

10 posted on 01/18/2016 8:28:21 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: mouse1
and another post about Cruz’s citizenship!

It's not going away!

Now we know who NBC isn't voting for...

11 posted on 01/18/2016 8:28:24 PM PST by IncPen (There is not one single patriot in Washington, DC.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ted needs to simply say that he is qualified to be President as Obama. If he is not qualified then neither is Obama.

Sauce for the Goose is sauce for the gander.

Obama does not meet the qualifications for NBC. Rub the demodogs face in it.


12 posted on 01/18/2016 8:28:41 PM PST by Fai Mao (Just a tropical gardiner chatting with friends)
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump should sue both Cruz and Rubio and let the courts decide the issue.

Cruz was born in Canada to a U.S. citizen mother. Rubio was born in America, but neither of his parents were citizens at the time (anchor baby).


13 posted on 01/18/2016 8:28:45 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: dschapin
So much for Donald's word. Earlier this year he was saying that he had talked to the best lawyers and it wasn't an issue.


14 posted on 01/18/2016 8:29:36 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: SeekAndFind
legal definitions and legal terms dictionary

A naturalized citizen is a person who was born an alien, but has lawfully become a citizen of the United States under the U.S. Constitution and laws.

Cruz was born an alien but made a citizen through law (Congress).

15 posted on 01/18/2016 8:30:12 PM PST by Kenny (RED)
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To: SeekAndFind

This whole “citizen at birth” interpretation makes no sense really. If there is anything that would’ve certainly been odious to the Founders as they conceived this provision, it would’ve been dual citizenship. For sure, someone born as a dual citizen would have been exactly the kind of person that they would’ve sought to exclude. So just “citizen at birth” means nothing unless it’s also joined to a concept of “undivided citizenship at birth”.


16 posted on 01/18/2016 8:30:24 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: TBP

So why did the Founders even bother creating a judicial branch then, if everything was “settled”. The only person who says this is settled is Ted Cruz and those who support him.

Come back in a week and see if we’re still talking about this. Or a month.


17 posted on 01/18/2016 8:30:40 PM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first ande then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
But it does get the Trump cult excited, doesn't it?

I'm what you would term a "Trumpkin".

Read my post #10. :)

18 posted on 01/18/2016 8:31:58 PM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Guess you were not here in 2008!

Other than weirdo conspiracy theories there is really no question that Obama was born in Hawaii. (It was in the paper).

What was the Obama birther controversy about, if there is nothing to it, because it consumed Free Republic.

Also, remember Trump was the only one who finally got Obama to cough up his long form birth certificate, so he’s not a Johnny-come-lately to this issue.


19 posted on 01/18/2016 8:33:02 PM PST by Jack Black ( "Disarmament of a targeted group is one of the surest early warning signs of future genocide")
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20 posted on 01/18/2016 8:33:22 PM PST by County Agent Hank Kimball (Trust Fund Donnie Trump thinks "Nuclear Triad" is a death metal trio.)
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