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NYT: Establishment Republicans Fear Lasting Split
legalinsurrection.com ^ | 1/10/16

Posted on 01/10/2016 3:15:32 PM PST by cotton1706

As we watch the 2016 Republican primaries unfold in often-surprising ways, it is clear that there is a strong desire among Republican primary voters for change within the party. Sick of what Ted Cruz calls "the Washington Cartel" and of the "election conservatives" who managed for so long to convince voters they uphold conservative values and principles, Republican primary voters are taking a stand.

It began before Obama was elected, while President Bush was still in office, and has since only gained in strength and resolve, and the GOP establishment has been slow to notice or grasp what is happening.

They saw glimpses of it in the TEA Party in 2009 and '10 and worked side-by-side with Democrats to diminish its influence, they may have noticed something was changing in the 2010 and 2014 mid-terms, they probably got a more clear picture when Eric Cantor (then House GOP whip) was booted out of office, and they started to pay attention when Speaker Boehner was also forced out. They thought they could handle it, though, so they plowed ahead . . . pushing Jeb Bush as the next in line for the presidency, and that's when things started to go so terribly wrong for the GOP establishment that they are finally sitting up and taking notice.

According to The New York Times, Republican "leaders" are now deeply concerned about a long-term split in the party, one that will not be repaired with the usual smoke, mirrors, promises, and lies. They find this worrying.

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1 posted on 01/10/2016 3:15:32 PM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

Someone seems to get it.


2 posted on 01/10/2016 3:18:48 PM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: cotton1706
You mean the GOPe splitting off from the Republican base?

That would make me very happy. But they would have to leave the party alone - forever.

3 posted on 01/10/2016 3:18:52 PM PST by Slyfox (Ted Cruz does not need the presidency - the presidency needs Ted Cruz)
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To: Slyfox

I love the observation we are not listening to the smoke mirrors and lies.


4 posted on 01/10/2016 3:20:56 PM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: cotton1706

I remember way back, they tried to fool us by reciting the Constitution on the first day of a new Con-gress. That was the Con... then, next day pretty much, continued the GOPe agenda.


5 posted on 01/10/2016 3:21:54 PM PST by C210N (Supporting the Constitutional Conservative in the race. Constitutional Conservative Cruz.)
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To: cotton1706

I fear that like I fear oxygen.


6 posted on 01/10/2016 3:24:23 PM PST by DoughtyOne ((It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.))
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To: Slyfox

That Rinse Penis guy and the rest of the GOPer gophers can KMA and ESAD. I think we’ve had quite enough.


7 posted on 01/10/2016 3:25:40 PM PST by Noumenon (Resistance. Restoration. Retribution.)
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To: cotton1706
Republicans aren't splitting. We are just marginalizing the elites the same way they marginalized us. They can vote for our candidates if they want.
8 posted on 01/10/2016 3:26:07 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Noumenon
Jebbie said he could secure the nomination without the base.

Karl Rove's advice no doubt.

9 posted on 01/10/2016 3:27:14 PM PST by Slyfox (Ted Cruz does not need the presidency - the presidency needs Ted Cruz)
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To: cotton1706

The fear is justified.

The split is inevitable.

Die, GOP, die.

Suffer, suffer more, die, die, die, die, die.

And burn, burn, burn more in hell, slimy traitors.


10 posted on 01/10/2016 3:28:40 PM PST by Da Coyote
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Just wait till they succeed in forcing Yebbie to be the nominee, they will see war like they have never seen before. Despite the fact Yebbie is loathed and at 3%, I believe the machine still has a 50% chance of forcing him through.


11 posted on 01/10/2016 3:29:08 PM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: cotton1706

Long-term split, RINOs? No, it’s called you are not in control this cycle. Too freaking bad. We have had to endure losers like RINO McCain, RINO Dole and RINO Romney when you were in control.

We also have had to deal with your ilk capitulating to Obama instead of fighting him. The Reagan wing of the party has risen. Go, sit down and be gracious losers for a change. It’s about your time if you have hold your nose and vote for our guy.


12 posted on 01/10/2016 3:29:24 PM PST by NYRepublican72 (Democrats -- it's always someone else's fault.)
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To: cotton1706
Decades of Republican policies at risk? Like No Child Left Behind, the unfunded Medicare expansion, the "renewable fuel standard," and a host of other big government, big spending policies? Compassionate conservatism, or as its been rebranded now, "reform conservatism" isn't conservative at all (the main reason that President Bush's numbers sunk to such lows toward the end of his second term). So yes, that brand of "conservatism" may well be at risk and with it, its proponents among the Republican establishment.

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It still remains to be seen whether or not things will change within the Republican party, but one thing the track record of the Republican establishment suggests is that if they make it through the primary process (i.e. an establishment candidate is nominated), and even if they don't win the White House, it will be business as usual in Washington. This primary season will be chalked up as a minor rebellion of the great unwashed beaten back by their wiser elders . . . who long ago forgot their place.

IOW, they've learned absolutely nothing from McCain's loss. Or Romney's. Or Cantor's. Or Boehner being forced out. Logically then, neither will they get a clue of a GOPe candidate doesn't get the nomination.


13 posted on 01/10/2016 3:30:31 PM PST by FourPeas (Chocolate, sugar and lots of caffeine. Hard to beat that.)
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To: cotton1706

Fear it, becuase it is a reality, you had the chance your toast


14 posted on 01/10/2016 3:59:21 PM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: cotton1706
NYT: Establishment Republicans Fear Lasting Split

That would be the optimistic option. Which they certainly don't deserve.

The permanent death of the party is the most likely outcome.

Perhaps a new Conservative party with the energy and deadly seriousness that the Socialist-Progressive Democratic Party relentlessly fight for what they believe.

No more "reaching' across the aisle as an excuse for capitulation and 'principle,' so-called substitute for constant defeat.

And they can forget about the Soros-Obama-Hillary bullshit about "that's not who we are."

I don't care what the new party is called. "Tea Party" has a nice ring to it; or Perhaps "New Minutemen."

Whatever the name, it will represent American Citizens First, the working taxpaying citizens pulling the cart.
Unions and unproductive government employees next to last.

And elected criminals third with a constant threat of jail time for malfeasance or incompetence or graft. Setting their own salaries, benefits and retirement, no more.

Wake up and smell the coffee, ball-less losers. A split is the least of your problems!

15 posted on 01/10/2016 3:59:46 PM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW! evil ignorant stupid or crazy-doesn't matter!)
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To: Vince Ferrer
Republicans aren't splitting. We are just marginalizing the elites the same way they marginalized us.

Without us they'd have a hard time electing a city dog catcher.

16 posted on 01/10/2016 4:54:08 PM PST by GOPJ (Trump's living rent-free in Jeb's head and put on a robe and comfy slippers.FlickLives)
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To: cotton1706

There won’t be a split if the GOP is willing to become conservative, of all things.


17 posted on 01/10/2016 6:55:35 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Ready for Teddy, Cruz that is.)
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To: cotton1706

I don’t get it. If conservatives like Cruz are destroying the Republican Party, shouldn’t the NY Times and Democrats be applauding? This is what they want, right?


18 posted on 01/10/2016 7:15:34 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Blue Collar Christian
There won't be a split if the GOP is willing to become conservative, of all things.

If they were literally capable of doing that, they would have done it 6 years ago, when all the signs of trouble were clear.

My theory at the utter apparent helplessness of most if not all of the elected GOPe in the legislative Department is, and has been, for years, mass real threats of blackmail.

19 posted on 01/10/2016 7:28:12 PM PST by publius911 (IMPEACH HIM NOW! evil ignorant stupid or crazy-doesn't matter!)
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To: Slyfox

After Reagan, then Newt, the Rinos were pretty much either hiding or gone. I hope it happens again and I hope conservatives keep on top of it to keep the Rinos scared.

I liked the idea I read where someone suggested they be required to pin their pac corporate and Union logos on their jackets. The DNC would have to wear a billboard. If the globalists continue to be the major donors to the GOP and conservative organizations, we will forever be bought out Rinos. The DNC will be happy global marxists.


20 posted on 01/10/2016 9:20:18 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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