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Is Ted Cruz a 'natural born Citizen'? Not if you're a constitutional originalist.
LA Times ^ | 1/10/16 | Thomas Lee

Posted on 01/10/2016 7:36:03 AM PST by jimbo123

Article II of the Constitution states: "No Person except a natural born Citizen . . . shall be eligible to the Office of President." Donald Trump thinks Sen. Ted Cruz is not a "natural born Citizen" and that he is therefore constitutionally ineligible to be president. Is Trump right? Cruz was born in 1970 in Calgary, Canada, to a U.S. citizen mother and a Cuban citizen father. As to his Article II status, it's all in how you read the Constitution.

There are three leading theories of how to interpret the Constitution today. One is textualism: the Constitution means what its words say. The historical context of the words is important when a modern plain meaning is not self-evident. A second theory, adopted by many liberals, relies on a "living Constitution": the Constitution means what is most consistent with fundamental constitutional values as applied to present circumstances. The third theory, championed by many leading conservatives, is originalism: The Constitution means what ordinary people would have understood it to mean at the time it was ratified, which is 1788.

Under either a textualist or a "living Constitution" theory, Cruz is a "natural born Citizen," eligible to be president; under an originalist view, however, he isn't. It's the conservative theory that would exclude the conservative Cruz from presidential eligibility.

To an originalist, a "natural born Citizen" is a person who is a citizen of the United States under "natural" principles of law in 1788. Two such principles were then in play in the U.S. Jus soli - the law of soil - was the principle that a child was subject or citizen of the sovereign who ruled the land or seas on which the child was born. Jus soli was viewed as a part of the common law of England,

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TOPICS: Canada; Cuba; News/Current Events; US: New York; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2016election; canada; cruz; cuba; election2016; jussanguinis; jussoli; naturalborncitizen; newyork; tedcruz; texas; trump
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To: jimbo123

:: Cruz as a constitutional lawyer needs to be more serious in addressing this question ::

It is a campaign. Let Cruz and Trump be as serious about that as their campaign-efforts allow.

Keep in mind, the American electorate has LOWERED THE STANDARD with Obama being inaugurated without challenge.


41 posted on 01/10/2016 8:28:45 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym defines the science.)
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To: Marie

“The Natural Born Citizen requirement in the Constitution implies that the requirement is higher for the POTUS than anyone else has to meet to be a ‘citizen’.”

Correct. The presidency is the only office that a naturalized citizen cannot hold. Is Ted Cruz a naturalized citizen? No.


42 posted on 01/10/2016 8:29:36 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: jimbo123

He’ll never be able to clear it up to some partisans satisfaction. He’d best move on and not let it distract from the important stuff


43 posted on 01/10/2016 8:29:59 AM PST by skeeter
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To: joshua c

The term ‘birther’ was concocted by Obama’s Alinsky comrades as a means of substituting mockery for rational, fact-based discussion. Interesting to see who is perpetrating the tactic.


44 posted on 01/10/2016 8:30:29 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: jimbo123

Why does Rubio get a free ride on this issue? There is no way he is “natural born”. He fits the anchor baby description more than any other.


45 posted on 01/10/2016 8:33:38 AM PST by odawg
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To: jimbo123
Apparently Rep. John Bingham was an originalist.

Rep. John A. Bingham, who later became the chief architect of the 14th Amendments first section.

In the United States House on March 9, 1866 commenting upon Section 1992 of the Civil Rights Act, said that the Act was

simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution,
that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States
of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is,
in the language of your Constitution itself, a Natural Born Citizen.

46 posted on 01/10/2016 8:34:01 AM PST by ASA Vet (Jus Soli + Jus Sanguinis = NBC)
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To: Marie

“Personally, I don’t want Cruz ended for *this*. I want Trump to beat him fair and square and I hope that they can get along after.”


Trump IS beating him, so far. But that’s beside the point. The question is whether or not Cruz is technically allowed to compete in the first place. The preponderance of info appears to indicate he is not.


47 posted on 01/10/2016 8:35:20 AM PST by moehoward
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To: bushpilot2
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48 posted on 01/10/2016 8:35:25 AM PST by bushpilot2
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To: Mr Rogers

Facts never mattered in the discussion of Obama’s birth-related lies—and there were many. Neither will facts matter in this case. If Cruz wins, the Dems, backed by the MSM, will turn the issue into a never-ending three ring circus.

Cruz supporters are evidently of the opinion that if they can stop Trump and other conservatives from mentioning it, the questions/issue goes away. They could not be more mistaken.


49 posted on 01/10/2016 8:36:22 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Mr Rogers; patlin
patlin I'm quoting you

"ALL the Acts of Congress are naturalization Acts as Congress has no need, or authority, to confer US citizen on a child born in the US when the child's parents (BOTH) are US citizens."

No more time anyone made a citizen via statute is not a natural born citizen (NBC) as NBC was understood in 1788.

50 posted on 01/10/2016 8:37:35 AM PST by jpsb
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To: RummyChick

“They did not include the words natural born citizen in that Act that repealed the 1790 Act.”

But the words, along with original intent, remain in the Constitution.


51 posted on 01/10/2016 8:38:26 AM PST by odawg
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To: ASA Vet

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=071/llcg071.db&recNum=332
“every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen”
John A. Bingham chief architect of the 14th Amendment.

And that’s what an originalist believes (absent historical contradiction). The 14th Amendment means what it meant when enacted.

The professor is a bald-faced liar.
Why does he tell this specific lie?
Because Obama was NOT born “of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty”.


52 posted on 01/10/2016 8:39:31 AM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Gipper08

for later


53 posted on 01/10/2016 8:40:49 AM PST by Gipper08
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To: bushpilot2
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54 posted on 01/10/2016 8:42:34 AM PST by bushpilot2
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To: jpsb

The second point might be correct actually but the first is suspect I think. The idea of natural born simpy means you are a citizen at birth so I think that if they’d considered him a citizen then they’d have considered him a natural born citizen.


55 posted on 01/10/2016 8:44:46 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Behind the Blue Wall

It is amazing but not surprising. When we all but begged (wait, we begged too) for the Supreme Court to take this case and provide a ruling in Obama's day, we knew then that at some point in the future the tables would turn and the democrats (who are *always* on offense) would have no problem attacking the issue like a pitbull when the candidate in question was republican. In fact, there was foreshadowing with the need for John McCain's declaratory congressional statement. If Cruz is the nominee and he does not get in front of this by pursuing judicial review himself *and then* continuing his campaign "in good faith" of the outcome, the democrats will beat him over the head legally with this hammer at election time.


56 posted on 01/10/2016 8:46:22 AM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: bushpilot2
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57 posted on 01/10/2016 8:46:23 AM PST by bushpilot2
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To: jimbo123

Donald Trump needs to get serious about answering the question if he was ever on Pedophile Island at the same time as Bill Clinton.


58 posted on 01/10/2016 8:52:10 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: jpsb
In fact they [the Founders] would not have even considered him [Cruz] a citizen of the USA

You might not. But they would.

Because, in 1790, the Founders in Congress voted for the very law that makes it so.

59 posted on 01/10/2016 8:58:36 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: jimbo123

The 1790 law itself wasn’t the important part, it was the fact it contained a definition of natural born citizen. In the absence of any other definition, this is it.sent


60 posted on 01/10/2016 8:59:36 AM PST by nickcarraway
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