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The old Soviet trick.
1 posted on 12/29/2015 1:35:13 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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Of course since the targets will be assumed “armed and dangerous” it will require a midnight swat raid, complete with flash bang grenades and shooting the family dog.


2 posted on 12/29/2015 1:40:46 AM PST by Hugin ("First thing--get yourself a firearm!" Sheriff Ed Galt, Last Man Standing.)
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Is there a provision for being wrongly accused, and deprived constitutional rights? Didn’t think so.


3 posted on 12/29/2015 1:40:58 AM PST by SpaceBar
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I love how the report carefully omits how 3 of the six died, from a knife. You'd imagine that had half of the dead come from such an item, it would be significant enough to mention, especially since this law doesn't address that at all...

But that wasn't the point of the law - the law is specifically aimed and targeted to remove without prior notice someone’s clear rights.

One hopes this is bounced out by the first judge it goes before.

4 posted on 12/29/2015 1:41:25 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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“Shall not be infringed” is perfectly clear. People who would deprive free men of their God-given rights are evil. I hope they are stopped through the courts before the gun-grabbing leads to far worse natural consequences.


5 posted on 12/29/2015 1:47:03 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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Well they have to do something... Just read about record gun sales in LA.. If they wait til crime rates go down, they are in trouble. Anyone can claim any citizen is mentally ill, and I am sure some of our postings here were rants against... Fill in the special protections class here..
Heck Cali is beautiful they can’t have any root of common sense taking place.. Especially in LA. Imagine the deems losing Cali.


8 posted on 12/29/2015 2:00:39 AM PST by momincombatboots (Iraq 3.0.. Try and look surprised. Prayers for my brothers and sisters in arms as global pawns.)
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Estranged family members with axes to grind are going to have a field day with this one.


9 posted on 12/29/2015 2:03:39 AM PST by ScottinVA (If you're not enraged...why?)
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Family members who believe a loved one poses a danger to themselves or others will be able to ask police to seek a temporary "gun violence" restraining order from a judge

After three weeks, the person can challenge the judge's decision.

First a family member ask the POLICE to go to a judge to ask the judge to take away someone's guns. The judge never sees or ask questions of the person seeking this confiscation of property.

So a person can be deprived of their property for three weeks BEFORE they can seek relief from a judge's arbitrary decision.

Knowing how overloads the judicial system is I am certain that a person who falls in to this system will not see their property again for a very long time if at all.

There is nothing in this article saying what criteria a judge will use to determine if the accused may get his guns back. There is no powers mentioned by which the judge could require the person to see a doctor to determine the accused mental health. Just how is the judge to determine if the accused is legally unfit to own guns?

If someone thrown in to this legal quagmire doesn't want to kill his family before they cast him in to this legal drowning pool he will after.

I don't see this law as described as meeting constitutional muster.

11 posted on 12/29/2015 2:14:25 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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Family members first, disgruntled neighbors and coworkers next.


12 posted on 12/29/2015 2:16:30 AM PST by Carthego delenda est
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In other words, a judge could issue the order without ever hearing from the person in question.....

So much for due process, sworn testimony, right to face accuser, etc. I could understand the need for this under some conditions, but it would seem to me the potential for abuse here is significant - especially with an estranged spouse/girlfriend or just someone that hates you.

14 posted on 12/29/2015 2:21:13 AM PST by Gaffer
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No way anyone would ever abuse this.


15 posted on 12/29/2015 2:22:43 AM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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Time for a wagon train headed East this time. Get the hell out of Kalifornia.


16 posted on 12/29/2015 2:22:52 AM PST by ImNotLying (The Constitution is an instrument for the people to restrain the government...Patrick Henry)
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Note that the one thing missing are remedies for the wrongly accused.


17 posted on 12/29/2015 2:25:45 AM PST by SpaceBar
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Kalifornistan - we put the doo in due process!


24 posted on 12/29/2015 2:48:28 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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Are you nucking futs? Call 1-800-...


30 posted on 12/29/2015 3:10:30 AM PST by SpaceBar
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Violates due process, and the bill of rights.


31 posted on 12/29/2015 3:12:30 AM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same.)
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i envision an immediate need for more paperless guns, more pvc gardens, and more tragic boating accidents.


33 posted on 12/29/2015 3:18:01 AM PST by SteveH
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“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”


34 posted on 12/29/2015 3:19:27 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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Unconstitutional. But don’t expect Pansy Roberts (thanks Jorge) and his court of feminazi hags to overturn it.


38 posted on 12/29/2015 4:01:33 AM PST by ZULU (Mt. McKinley is the tallest mountain in N. America. Denali is Aleut for "scam artist.")
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Is this something like a TRO where one party gives credible evidence to a judge, who issues the temporary order but a short hearing date is scheduled where the restrained party can challenge the order and regain their rights? Of course, that depends on the quality of the judges.


40 posted on 12/29/2015 4:14:58 AM PST by NonValueAdded (In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth Is a Revolutionary Act)
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Look. This is nowhere Soviet enough.

California has to pass a law that you can be tried in a secret court for a secret crime by witnesses you can never confront.

THAT is the way the SOVIETS did it, California, you lame-ass pikers.


41 posted on 12/29/2015 4:18:21 AM PST by Lazamataz (It has gotten to the point where any report from standard news outlets must be fact-checked.)
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