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Townhall.com ^ | December 25, 2015 | Mona Charen

Posted on 12/25/2015 5:55:12 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Campion; Kaslin
The Saturnalia was before Dec. 25th in any case, and "Dies Natalis Solis Invictus" is likely to have been the *pagans* trying to co-opt Christmas, not the other way around ...

The pagans got there first. The Romans noted the winter solstice on their calendars and called it, in Old Latin, "bruma dies", which tells you on internal evidence that it goes back centuries before Classical Latin, which would have called it "brevissimus dies". Natalis Invicti Solis was later, iirc a syncretic holiday imported from the Empire's far-flung territories. But Christianity will have been the new player that took over the old holidays.

The last article I saw about Christmas placed the blessed event in the year 4 B.C. (date check needed). A lot of scholarship has been done on the dates of Jesus's birth and death.

And fwiw, most movies depicting Roman soldiers in Jesus's time are at least a mile off in portraying their kit and dress. Even Spartacus, a story told about events of 70 BC, equipped their soldiery with arms and armor typical of the time of Trajan, about 110 AD. Only 180 years off, but that's Hollywood.

21 posted on 12/25/2015 5:41:10 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutierrez)
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To: Kaslin
News Flash: Terrorism is the big issue in this election. Do a search

Of course, rampant immigration has nothing to do with terrorism and protecting this country. How naive of me! ;)

Merry Christmas to you and yours, Kaslin.

22 posted on 12/25/2015 5:43:10 PM PST by Read Write Repeat (Not one convinced me they want the job yet)
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To: lentulusgracchus

We’re on the same page. :)

I’m living evidence it takes at least three generations to breed the socialism out.


23 posted on 12/25/2015 5:47:41 PM PST by Read Write Repeat (Not one convinced me they want the job yet)
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To: JesusIsLord
Every Conservative who stays home on election day(s) with the excuse of "principal" or "conviction" is simply helping the Democrats. [...] Come primary and general, for God's sake vote for the least evil candidate!!!

Mere Republican-ism, and a damnable lie.

24 posted on 12/25/2015 6:18:32 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Read Write Repeat
Actually, the resistance to breaking old voting habits is a specifically Mexican cultural feature. Central and South Americans don't show that. They split their votes; that has to be where George W. Bush got his 39% of one Hispanic electorate from, in Texas, where even the Mexican Texans are slightly different: they're from northern, industrialized Mexico, which is the home of the PAN Party (Vicente Fox's party) which resembles liberal Republicanism.

You know, I've occasionally suspected Karl Rove of being a gay mole inside the GOP. What do you think?

I’m living evidence it takes at least three generations to breed the socialism out.

With Mexican-Americans and Jewish Americans, it seems to take two or three generations more.

25 posted on 12/25/2015 7:26:03 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutierrez)
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The current US Attorney General would deem your post hate speech.

I don’t think in racial lines because I’m a conservative. I believe in individual freedom and responsibility, not a collective group think based on race, ancestry, or religion devised by a bunch of political consultants and then mimicked ad nauseum.

To speak in your language, Japanese, Chinese, Pacific Islanders, Asian Indians, Russians, etc. in addition to white Christians immigrants vote for Democrats. The last Texan evangelical president wanted to grant another amnesty.

I don’t care where people are from, I’m all about equal treatment under immigration law — pause it for at least five years.

Massive amounts of immigration will create a state where legal and illegal immigrants won’t have anything American to assimilate into. No other government resembles the US Constitution, so where are they going to go?

From an economic and national security standpoint, it’s cheaper to take a pause in legal immigration, build a wall on the border, and severe promotion of the second amendment. I want the world to think all Americans are armed to the teeth so they are less likely to pull another San Bernadino, Oregon, etc. mass killing or individual crime.

Regardless if it’s Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz, both want to expand government through building a massive immigration enforcement infrastructure. It’s ridiculous to think ‘watching’ over one million new people per year is conservative.


26 posted on 12/25/2015 9:30:12 PM PST by Read Write Repeat (Not one convinced me they want the job yet)
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To: roamer_1
Mere Republican-ism, and a damnable lie.

The argument that voting R is better than voting D is expressed in post#20.

You disagree. Why?

27 posted on 12/26/2015 5:00:48 AM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: JesusIsLord
[roamer_1:] Mere Republican-ism, and a damnable lie.

The argument that voting R is better than voting D is expressed in post#20. You disagree. Why?

Because ultimately, it's a lie. Your vote is (and can only be) a positive endorsement. If your principles play no part in that endorsement, if it is ultimately just a vote for the big rhinestone 'R', then you are necessarily 'endorsing' anything at all that republicans might imagine - That is exactly why we are here today, with a party that is wholly disconnected with it's base.

I will *never* vote for a liberal, no mater what his affiliation. I will never vote for someone who is against the principles of Conservatism. I will not endorse that which I do not believe. Period.

Suddenly, decisions become very simple, and I sleep very well at night.

28 posted on 12/26/2015 12:34:40 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Read Write Repeat
From an economic and national security standpoint, it’s cheaper to take a pause in legal immigration, build a wall on the border, and severe promotion of the second amendment. I want the world to think all Americans are armed to the teeth so they are less likely to pull another San Bernadino, Oregon, etc. mass killing or individual crime.

Oops! "Blowback" alert! The raggies are more likely to think, "Oh, the tougher the kufr, the harder they fall and the sweeter the crime!" At least our liberal frenemies will tell us that while taking a five-minute break from singing "Kumbaya".

I agree with you that a .38 going off in Abdul's ear will do a lot to truncate the terrorism body count, but the larger argument needs to be made in the ultima ratio regum, "the final argument of kings", of which Obama has been depriving us "progressively" as fast as he can.

The real concern going forward is and must be that Paki and Iranian nuclear arsenals will be a huge threat to the U.S. going forward, especially in the hands of fanatics, whether Shiite or Salafist.

29 posted on 12/26/2015 5:46:28 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutierrez)
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To: Read Write Repeat
I don't think in racial lines because I'm a conservative. I believe in individual freedom and responsibility, not a collective group think based on race, ... [etc.]

Societies sort themselves, like with like. The idea that all kinds and varieties are the same is a borrowing from Jewish mysticism that describes the state of consciousness called Da'ath, in which all the nodes, concepts, and particularizations of knowledge and wisdom are confounded and become one thing.

That isn't how people live. They with partial knowledge called "worldly wisdom", in "comfort zones" with people of like characteristics and conditions, the better not to seek wisdom, but to experience harmony and comfort, reinforcement and support as they confront the world.

Liberals want to live in Da'ath, perpetually bathing in sublime light and knowledge and singing "Kumbaya". Conservatives want to live in America.

Your goal of treating all people the same is aspirational and will fail the first time you meet a perverse actor who doesn't want wisdom or American citizenship or comfort, but only your wallet, or your death.

30 posted on 12/26/2015 6:31:33 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutierrez)
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To: roamer_1
For me it's also very simple when it comes to voting. Vote for the candidate who is the least evil and/or who will do the least harm. Are there any Democrats who consistently vote against their party? I don't think so. Are there any conservative Democrats today? I don't think so. As much as I dislike RINOs, my hope is that they are better than any Democrat if for no other reason but that the R party has some control of their destiny w/in the party, i.e., RNC funding, chairmanships, etc. Self-interest is a strong motivator.

For me it's simple. If necessary, I'll vote for the less of two evils. Generally, that means any R is better than a D.

31 posted on 12/27/2015 5:19:21 AM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: JesusIsLord
I'll vote for the less of two evils.

It will wind up for you that it is not so much the 'lesser of two evils', and more the 'evil of two lessers'...

You will continue to get politicians that stink, but reek just a little less than the other guy. Just enough to get you to pull the lever. If you're happy with crap sandwiches, keep voting for them. Knock yourself out. But don't forget for a minute that it was you that endorsed crap sandwiches as you wander around begging for breath mints...

Not any more for me. I want statesmen, not politicians. That means I don't vote for mere politicians, regardless of their flavor. If you want my vote, then earn it.

As much as I dislike RINOs, my hope is that they are better than any Democrat if for no other reason but that the R party has some control of their destiny w/in the party [...]

If the party were doing what you think, it would not be so full of worthless RINOs, and would instead be full of robust Conservatives. They would be preaching Reagan and God, and not compromise and communism. Look at it and weep. For it is thinking like your above statement that filled your party with RINOs. And it is exactly why I am no longer a Republican.

32 posted on 12/27/2015 7:01:36 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

An immigration moratorium treats everyone outside our borders equally, no matter if you’re from Uzbekistan, South Africa, or Brazil.


33 posted on 12/28/2015 12:24:51 PM PST by Read Write Repeat (Not one convinced me they want the job yet)
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