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'They don't speak for me': New Muslim groups reject CAIR representation
Fox News ^ | December 20, 2015 | Malia Zimmerman

Posted on 12/19/2015 11:21:22 PM PST by Boomer

In the days following the Dec. 2 attack in San Bernardino, Council for American-Islamic Relations representatives partially blamed U.S. policy for terrorist attacks, accused gunman Syed Rizwan Farook’s co-workers of making fun of his beard and sought to downplay comments by Farook’s father linking him to ISIS. Like Muslims throughout the U.S., CAIR officials condemned the attack, but too often with what sounded to critics like subtle caveats.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: cair; islam; muslim
I want to see more of this coming from Muslims who like their religion but don't go to mosques or believe in sharia. If there truly are 80 to 90% of Muslims in the USA who believe this way; I, for one, will soften my tone toward Islam in America. Unfortunately that still leaves 10-20% who do believe in sharia and go to mosques. Just one more reason to shut down mosques.

I guess we will see. I have known CAIR is part of the problem for some time now. They should be treated as terrorist sympathizers because that's exactly what they are.

1 posted on 12/19/2015 11:21:23 PM PST by Boomer
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To: Boomer

It’s like Islam needs to be changed to be two different entities. One, which really is a religion, and the other which is a form of government with a religious undertone.


2 posted on 12/19/2015 11:22:58 PM PST by Boomer
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To: Boomer

CAIR invented the term ‘Islamophobia.’ They did market testing. It worked for the gays with ‘homophobia.’ Tested well and the MSM was willing to run with it.

“Phobia” = fear. Irrational. Unfounded. Instead of the thing to be feared (getting blown up) it puts it on the person feeling the fear as if they are somehow in need of psychiatric care. It also serves as a ad hominem attack during any debate.

CAIR has ties with several terrorist organizations. Can see why people would want to avoid them. It’s like sending out Louis Farrakhan to defend you from charges of antisemitism.


3 posted on 12/19/2015 11:26:27 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: Boomer

It’s like Islam needs to be changed to be two different entities. One, which really is a religion, and the other which is a form of government with a religious undertone.
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Yes, exactly. It’s time for Islam to go through its Reformation. Westernized, peaceful Muslims had better read the writing on the wall. They need to realize that in 30 years’ time (if not sooner), when Europe has its back against the wall because of the assault from the sharia-loving Muslim hordes that have seeped into their countries, stayed and reproduced there, there will be not just “violence” but full-on war. If Europe won’t wage that war, then we here in the U.S. will eventually be forced to.

If they want to avoid that ... and I hope they do ... then now is the time. By the simple geographic fact of living in the U.S., American Muslims are pretty much insulated from the fatwahs of foreign imams and the threat of radical Islamists who are happy to commit jihad on any “apostate” who isn’t willing to kill infidels right along with them. They need to take a stance, go ahead and “cleanse” the Koran of the verses the Islamists use to justify their crap, put that in a separate “old book” and leave it there.

They need their schism. I hope some of them see the need for this and will go forward with it, dangerous though it will be for them.


4 posted on 12/19/2015 11:35:42 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert ("Cruz." That's the answer.)
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To: TigerClaws

CAIR represents the kind of Islam Obama and the left supports VIRULENTLY ANTI WESTERN. But, after all, that describes the Obamabastard. Groups like these don’t represent the kind of Muslims Obama wishes to cultivate or listen to.

He is 5he Great Divider.


5 posted on 12/19/2015 11:37:39 PM PST by ZULU (Mt. McKinley is the tallest mountain in N. America. Denali is Aleut for "scam artist.")
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

They could strike the violence invoking verses from the Koran but how will they ever get around their “Holy Prophet” Muhammad?


6 posted on 12/20/2015 12:12:15 AM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: Boomer

There was a very interesting article posted about CAIR and how they acted like the terrorist sponsors in the Middle East by giving out perqs to the San Bernadino family.


7 posted on 12/20/2015 12:15:18 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: Boomer

Not all mosques are radicalized, in fact in one of the most famous cases a small mosque that had a good record of assimilation in the community for many years was hijacked when they sought to get funds to improve their building or build a larger one.
The condition for the loan was to put the guy making the loan on the board of directors.
They agreed and soon he brought in a whole bunch of palestinians and next thing you know with those numbers on his side, he was able to replace the majority of the board with his own handpicked followers. And then he started bringing in radical speakers, etc, over the onjections of the original people.
[This is pretty much how the Nazis took over the churches too- by inserting themselves in church offices and then intimidating any objectors to the point he could switch out the ten commandments for his own and no one dared object.]
The original mosque members tried to sue but the judge took the newcomer’s side. It got physical, IIRC, which only solidified the radicals’ position, letting them play the victim even as the old members were trying to alert the police of what was going on in the mosque... collections for radical causes, etc..

This was apparently the modus operandi in the 90s for hijacking mosques and a lot of it was done with money from the VA jihad /Herndon groups like the SAAR foundation, if I remember right.


8 posted on 12/20/2015 12:22:13 AM PST by piasa
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To: Boomer

This is what they want to sell and make us believe. These are the ancestors of Ishmael. It all goes back to Abraham sleeping with Hagar the Egyptian.


9 posted on 12/20/2015 1:06:15 AM PST by Lumper20 ( clown in Chief has own Gov employees Gestapo)
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To: Boomer

They don't sound much like muzz to me.

10 posted on 12/20/2015 1:37:01 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

I like your tag line. ;)


11 posted on 12/20/2015 3:01:54 AM PST by Boomer
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To: Boomer
Forget having Islam in the US.

My Dad was "sorta" conservative; however, I am a "Radicalized Conservative". Like Farook, the same effect can be expected of the second and third generations of Muslims in the US! :(

12 posted on 12/20/2015 3:28:34 AM PST by Does so (Europeans better start "overstaying their visas" in the USA. ==8-O)
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To: Boomer

There is only one thing wrong with this article. In the Koran it’s acceptable to lie to the infidel.


13 posted on 12/20/2015 3:36:44 AM PST by Rappini (Compromise has its place. It's called second.)
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To: Boomer

The first objective of the Muslim Brotherhood is to purify Islam, which means getting rid of what they consider to be apostates who would “innovative” in Islam. There can be no “moderate” Islam.


14 posted on 12/20/2015 3:54:31 AM PST by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: Rappini

Exactly. They can’t be trusted because of tariqya or however you spell it. Their book tells them what to do, and they can’t be muslim without that book. Don’t be suckered in.


15 posted on 12/20/2015 5:43:19 AM PST by Smellin Salt
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To: Boomer

I’m not buying it.

They hate the West.
why are they here ?


16 posted on 12/20/2015 5:50:38 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Hijrah: “Jihad by mass migration”


17 posted on 12/20/2015 6:04:01 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Boomer
It matters not, it still preaches slavery for women and murder of anyone not of your islamic teachings.

You can not reform this evil without changing its holy books.....which makes it impossible.

18 posted on 12/20/2015 6:18:09 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert
Islam can not go through a reformation. Christianity could because the common man was not able to read the Bible and when they were and began to realize the church was teaching things not in the Bible reformation began to happen.

The muslim population can read the koran and the surahs. They are doing exactly what it teaches with enslavement of women and murdering everyone not them.

Islam needs eliminating. That is the only way to deal with this evil.

19 posted on 12/20/2015 6:21:56 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Lady Heron

Great responses in this thread. Maybe I am a sucker in believing there are those who believe in the part of Islam that isn’t extreme.

If the answer is to eliminate Islam from America; we are going to have a very difficult time of it just like eradicating liberalism. The country would be a better place without them and all illegal alien residents.


20 posted on 12/20/2015 7:51:16 AM PST by Boomer
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