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It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them. (At least she's honest.)
newrepublic.com ^ | 12-10-2015 | PHOEBE MALTZ BOVY

Posted on 12/10/2015 1:51:48 PM PST by servo1969

Ban guns. All guns. Get rid of guns in homes, and on the streets, and, as much as possible, on police. Not just because of San Bernardino, or whichever mass shooting may pop up next, but also not not because of those. Don't sort the population into those who might do something evil or foolish or self-destructive with a gun and those who surely will not. As if this could be known—as if it could be assessed without massively violating civil liberties and stigmatizing the mentally ill. Ban guns! Not just gun violence. Not just certain guns. Not just already-technically-illegal guns. All of them.

I used to refer to my position on this issue as being in favor of gun control. Which is true, except that "gun control" at its most radical still tends to refer to bans on certain weapons and closing loopholes. The recent New York Times front-page editorial, as much as it infuriated some, was still too tentative. "Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership," the paper argued, making the case for "reasonable regulation," nothing more. Even the rare ban-guns arguments involve prefacing and hedging and disclaimers. "We shouldn't ‘take them away' from people who currently own them, necessarily," writes Hollis Phelps in Salon. Oh, but we should.

I say this not to win some sort of ideological purity contest, but because banning guns urgently needs to become a rhetorical and conceptual possibility. The national conversation needs to shift from one extreme - an acceptance, ranging from complacent to enthusiastic, of an individual right to own guns—to another, which requires people who are not politicians to speak their minds. And this will only happen if the Americans who are quietly convinced that guns are terrible speak out.

Their wariness, as far as I can tell, comes from two issues: a readiness to accept the Second Amendment as a refutation, and a reluctance to impose "elite" culture on parts of the country where guns are popular. (There are other reasons as well, not least a fear of getting shot.) And there's the extent to which it's just so ingrained that banning guns is impossible, legislatively and pragmatically, which dramatically weakens the anti-gun position.

The first issue shouldn't be so complicated. It doesn't take specialized expertise in constitutional law to understand that current U.S. gun law gets its parameters from Supreme Court interpretations of the Second Amendment. But it's right there in the First Amendment that we don't have to simply nod along with what follows. That the Second Amendment has been liberally interpreted doesn't prevent any of us from saying it's been misinterpreted, or that it should be repealed.

When you find yourself assuming that everyone who has a more nuanced (or just pro-gun) argument is simply better read on the topic, remember that opponents of abortion aren't wondering whether they should have a more nuanced view of abortion because of Roe v. Wade. They're not keeping their opinions to themselves until they've got a term paper's worth of material proving that they've studied the relevant case law.

Then there is the privilege argument. If you grew up somewhere in America where gun culture wasn't a thing (as is my situation; I'm an American living in Canada), or even just in a family that would have never considered gun ownership, you'll probably be accused of looking down your nose at gun culture. As if gun ownership were simply a cultural tradition to be respected, and not, you know, about owning guns. Guns… I mean, must it really be spelled out what's different? It's absurd to reduce an anti-gun position to a snooty aesthetic preference.

There's also a more progressive version of this argument, and a more contrarian one, which involves suggesting that an anti-gun position is racist, because crackdowns on guns are criminal-justice interventions. Progressives who might have been able to brush off accusations of anti-rural-white classism may have a tougher time confronting arguments about the disparate impact gun control policies can have on marginalized communities.

These, however, are criticisms of certain tentative, insufficient gun control measures—the ones that would leave small-town white families with legally-acquired guns well enough alone, allowing them to shoot themselves or one another and to let their guns enter the general population.

Ban Guns, meanwhile, is not discriminatory in this way. It's not about dividing society into "good" and "bad" gun owners. It's about placing gun ownership itself in the "bad" category. It's worth adding that the anti-gun position is ultimately about police not carrying guns, either. That could never happen, right? Well, certainly not if we keep on insisting on its impossibility.

Ask yourself this: Is the pro-gun side concerned with how it comes across? More to the point: Does the fact that someone opposes gun control demonstrate that they're culturally sensitive to the concerns of small-town whites, as well as deeply committed to fighting police brutality against blacks nationwide? I'm going to go with no and no on these. (The NRA exists!)

On the pro-gun-control side of things, there's far too much timidity. What's needed to stop all gun violence is a vocal ban guns contingent. Getting bogged down in discussions of what's feasible is keeps what needs to happen—no more guns—from entering the realm of possibility. Public opinion needs to shift. The no-guns stance needs to be an identifiable place on the spectrum, embraced unapologetically, if it's to be reckoned with.

Phoebe Maltz Bovy is a writer living in Toronto. She is writing a book with St. Martin's Press about the idea of privilege (2017).


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I demand this genie be put back in its bottle right now!
1 posted on 12/10/2015 1:51:48 PM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Why not just move to France?


2 posted on 12/10/2015 1:52:49 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Trump and Cruz are not attacking each other. Why don't their follows take note)
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To: servo1969

Its time to prosecute traitors. Yes. All of them.


3 posted on 12/10/2015 1:52:56 PM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: servo1969

Better to just ban islamics


4 posted on 12/10/2015 1:53:20 PM PST by faithhopecharity (Brilliant, funny, and incisive Tagline coming to this space soon.....)
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To: servo1969
Liberals are a hoot!

They can't find and round up hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants but they can find and round up mulit-million guns.

5 posted on 12/10/2015 1:53:58 PM PST by TexasCajun (#BlackViolenceMatters)
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To: servo1969

Better yet, ban stupid people.


6 posted on 12/10/2015 1:54:10 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: servo1969

Send her to ISIS


7 posted on 12/10/2015 1:54:32 PM PST by dynachrome (We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values.)
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To: servo1969

She lives in Toronto. Is she talking to Canadians?


8 posted on 12/10/2015 1:54:40 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: servo1969

Why are progressives so anxious to start a war that they cannot win?


9 posted on 12/10/2015 1:54:46 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: servo1969

Phoebe should ask the good citizens of Mexico just how safe a total gun ban has made them.


10 posted on 12/10/2015 1:54:48 PM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: servo1969

I agree, let’s get rid of guns so terrorists and thugs will resort to this........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBvtGr1BfVQ


11 posted on 12/10/2015 1:55:14 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (B. Hussein Obama: 20 acts of Treason and counting.)
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To: servo1969

TREASON!! Come and take it!!


12 posted on 12/10/2015 1:55:44 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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To: servo1969

I think we need to ban hammers, butcher knives, pipes and pressure cookers.


13 posted on 12/10/2015 1:55:45 PM PST by rovenstinez
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To: servo1969

Ah the Nude Republic......the reading matter of useful idiots to their marxist masters.


14 posted on 12/10/2015 1:55:48 PM PST by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. .c)
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To: servo1969

100 million firearms have been sold since Mr. Obama was sworn-in. They’re “popular” everywhere.


15 posted on 12/10/2015 1:56:06 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (TED CRUZ. You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: stocksthatgoup
Why not just move to France?

She's already in Toronto.

Phoebe Maltz Bovy is a writer living in Toronto. She is writing a book with St. Martin's Press about the idea of privilege (2017).

16 posted on 12/10/2015 1:56:22 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: servo1969

Phoebe, you’re an expat in Canada. Leave us alone, thank you very much.


17 posted on 12/10/2015 1:56:36 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi (NOPe to GOPe)
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To: servo1969

The stupid is strong in this one. I see that she has an upcoming book on “privilege”. I can hardly wait to miss it.


18 posted on 12/10/2015 1:57:37 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: servo1969

What about cars? Knives (ask Israelis)? Bombs? Chemicals? Biological agents? Democrats? Islam?


19 posted on 12/10/2015 1:57:41 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: servo1969

Come and get them, Phoebe.


20 posted on 12/10/2015 1:57:43 PM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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