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(Rebuke to Rachel Carson) ... These People Took DDT Pills In the 1970s to Prove it Was Safe
PaleoFuture ^ | December 7, 2015 | Matt Novak

Posted on 12/07/2015 11:17:08 AM PST by DogByte6RER

DDT Diet, circa 1971

These People Took DDT Pills In the 1970s to Prove it Was Safe

In 1971 two people in North Hollywood started eating DDT pills every day. That's right, they willingly swallowed 10mg of poison every single day for three months. In front of witnesses.

From the Associated Press:

- Robert Loibl and his wife, Louise, hold 10-milligram capsules of DDT which they took in front of witnesses for 93 days at lunch time, June 10, 1971. Loibl said their total dosage was more than the average person consumes in 83 years. He said his wife's dandruff disappeared, their appetites perked up and they feel better. Loibl said they just wanted to call attention to the public that DDT was safe. The potential dangers of DDT first came to mainstream America's attention in 1962 with the publication of Rachel Carson's book Silent Spring. The book jumpstarted the modern environmental movement in the US and helped bring attention to the harmful effects that DDT was having on wildlife. Spraying DDT was not great for birds and marine life. But we now know that its danger to humans was overstated.

DDT became controversial in mainstream American culture during the late 1960s and the EPA banned the use of DDT as a pesticide in 1972. But the stigma attached to the chemical has had negative consequences around the world, especially for the fight against malaria.

In the first half of the 20th century, malaria was infecting millions of Americans a year and killing about 3,000 annually. Despite being synthesized in 1874, DDT wasn't developed as an insecticide until 1939 by Swiss scientist Paul Muller. But DDT then quickly helped wipe out malaria in the Western world. By 1951 the United States was officially rid of the mosquito-transmitted disease. But other countries weren't so lucky.

In 2006 malaria was still infecting about 300 million people worldwide and killing about 1 million people a year. The World Health Organization took another look at DDT in the mid-2000s and controversially promoted it as a way to fight the malaria epidemic in Africa and Asia. Today, roughly a decade later, the number of malaria deaths worldwide have been almost cut in half.

DDT typically doesn't cause health problems in humans after limited exposure. It's the prolonged exposure that scientists are most concerned about. The FDA has classified DDT as a B2 carcinogen, which is to say it's a probable human carcinogen based on tests on animals. That's below a B1 carcinogen, which is based on evidence found in humans, and an A carcinogen, which is a classification reserved for when something is definitively carcinogenic to humans.

Whatever happened to Robert and Louise Loibl who swallowed DDT for three months straight? I haven't been able to figure that one out. They don't show up in any newspaper accounts of the mid-1970s and I can't find death records for either of them. For all we know, they may have died of acute DDT poisoning the following year. But it's a safe bet that however they eventually died, it wasn't from malaria.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1971; ddban; ddt; ddtban; ddthoax; ecofascism; epa; insecticide; leftistpropaganda; leftistworldview; liberalpropaganda; malaria; mosquitos; rachelcarson; silentspring
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Rachel Carson Silent Spring photo: Rachel Carson zv.jpg It's great to see that even some 45 years ago there were people bold enough to go against the liberal orthodoxy of that left-wing monster Rachel Carson ...
1 posted on 12/07/2015 11:17:08 AM PST by DogByte6RER
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To: DogByte6RER

I was raised with DDT. Still kicking. I am beginning to hate environs.


2 posted on 12/07/2015 11:22:22 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: DogByte6RER

Rachel Carson is like Bambi. The emotional reaction overrules what is really true.


3 posted on 12/07/2015 11:23:37 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: DogByte6RER
Rachel Carson is responsible for many deaths in the third world just like the gun control politicians are responsible for many deaths.
4 posted on 12/07/2015 11:28:15 AM PST by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are those committed by illegal aliens)
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To: Bitsy

Used to follow and play behind the fogging trucks in the 60’s, still here


5 posted on 12/07/2015 11:28:47 AM PST by billphx
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I bet the eggs they lay have thin shells/s


6 posted on 12/07/2015 11:31:14 AM PST by 9422WMR ("Ignorance can be cured by education, but stupidity is forever.")
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“I bet the eggs they lay have thin shells”

You didn’t say it all. DDT’s effect on the eggs of birds was the reason it was banned, wasn’t it? Not that it was harmful to people.


7 posted on 12/07/2015 11:36:09 AM PST by cymbeline
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sed to follow and play behind the fogging trucks in the 60’s, still here

Me too, from the late 40s-early 50s 'til I outgrew it.

8 posted on 12/07/2015 11:36:53 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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Whatever happened to Robert and Louise Loibl who swallowed DDT for three months straight? I haven't been able to figure that one out. They don't show up in any newspaper accounts of the mid-1970s and I can't find death records for either of them.

I found Robert on Ancestry.com in 2 minutes.

Name: Robert Loibl
Last Residence: 92054 Oceanside, San Diego, California, USA
BORN: 7 Jun 1910
Last Benefit: 92054, Oceanside, San Diego, California, United States of America
Died: Sep 1980
State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before 1951) Nothing on his wife.

9 posted on 12/07/2015 11:39:42 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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Well, the author did ask the correct question, in wondering what happened to them later. If they both died early of some particularly gruesome cancer, or both grew a 3rd eyeball on a stalk coming out of their forehead, but it took 8 years to finally happen .... well, Carson has an argument.

Too bad the author couldn't be bothered to take the time. I may, I'd guess that the records are out there for the finding.

But, I too doubt that there will be anything to find. "Robert and Louise lived long, happy, and productive lives before expiring at a ripe old age" doesn't sell newspapers.

"Right Wing Kook DDT-deniers die painful lingering deaths as a result of their misguided conservative beliefs", probably would. In fact, I'd not put in past the NYT to invent such a story.

10 posted on 12/07/2015 11:40:45 AM PST by wbill
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Actually the reason the test birds laid thin shelled eggs was that they were fed a low calcium diet.

In the wild it is pretty clear that DDT had nothing to do with thin shells but that it was mercury that was causing problems.

DDT was a pesticide that did what it was suppose to do. Killed the pest and did no harm to anyone else. So, of course, it had to be destroyed.

Anything that kept more people alive was bad you see.

11 posted on 12/07/2015 11:44:50 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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It’s great to see that even some 45 years ago there were people bold enough to go against the liberal orthodoxy of that left-wing monster Rachel Carson ... We have a Rachel Carson Building in Harrisburg, PA. I’ve begged our representatives to either tear it down or rename it. Nothing.


12 posted on 12/07/2015 11:49:22 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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We need to plan a reunion for DDT Survivers:-) Just to tick-off environmentalists.


13 posted on 12/07/2015 11:54:05 AM PST by Bitsy
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The weird and wonderful thing is that DDT has no effect on eggshell thickness. That was just one of the false memes promoted about DDT.


14 posted on 12/07/2015 11:56:28 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: DJ MacWoW

So Loibl died at 70. Filthy genocidal monster Rachel Carson checked into the maggot motel at 56.


15 posted on 12/07/2015 12:06:06 PM PST by Rockpile
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Yup. There’s a younger Robert Loibl, born 1930, but Our Robert was 60 in 1971. There were also articles on Ancestry.


16 posted on 12/07/2015 12:11:47 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: DogByte6RER

Eating DDT pills bookmark.


17 posted on 12/07/2015 12:18:23 PM PST by Squeako (It's a Cult of Personality and it's gonna be huge...a huge missed opportunity to vote conservative.)
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Rachel Carson was somebody who got her vindictive hour in the sun - and probably killed millions of people in Africa and other tropical locations while getting her glory.

She was never a particularly nice person, from what one reads, and never a great scientist, but she had cancer and wanted to blame someone or something for it. She was both ideologically motivated, being a leftist, and personally motivated, being a non-religious liberal confronting mortality. So what better than the eeevil chemical companies?

And if DDT was the best target, ok, who cares about those millions of Africans, Indians, etc. Margaret Sanger didn’t like them either.


18 posted on 12/07/2015 12:21:01 PM PST by livius
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To: DogByte6RER

Used to blueberry picking in the evening at the Jersey shore when I was a kid - all the time engulfed by clouds of DDT fog from the spray trucks.

Million must die to make liberals happy with them selves, it seems.


19 posted on 12/07/2015 12:42:08 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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If you don’t have to worry about laying thin-shelled eggs, you’re golden. If you’re a bird, not so much.


20 posted on 12/07/2015 12:53:08 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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