Why the Gun Control Push Is Futile

The American Interest ^ | December 4, 2015 | JW

[QT3.14]

Another mass shooting, another round of liberal venom hurled at people who oppose further gun control measures. In the wake of the slaughter in San Bernardino, the charges were particularly shrill. “Dear ‘thoughts and prayers’ people: Please shut up and slink away. You are part of the problem, and everybody knows it,” said one liberal Washington Post columnist, in a representative tweet. Most gun control advocates know that the push for federal gun laws is futile. Public support for gun rights is near historical highs, the structure of the U.S. Senate favors pro-gun forces, and—as many observers pointed out at the time—if the tragedy at Sandy Hook couldn’t get gun legislation through the Congress, nothing can, at least for the foreseeable future. But liberal decision to make the San Bernardino massacre a story about gun control is more than futile—it is fundamentally disconnected from the role the Second Amendment has played in American political thought, and therefore might be even less effective than past efforts.

[QT3.14]

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics,
but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience;
or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..."

(Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, at 86- 87 (Peirce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)

[Steely Tom]

From Trump's Face The Nation interview:

FTN:

You don't think there's a worry... there's a tension, if you go to far... you end up creating more terrorists...

Trump:

What's too far? What's too far? They're killing people.

Whether it's what we just saw in California, or in Paris, they're killing people. Innocent people. People without guns. You look at Paris. No guns, nothing. You look at California, no guns. I can tell you if I'm in there and I've got a gun we're... we're going down shooting, we're going to knock 'em out, OK, one way or the other.

And if a couple of guns are in that room, you talk about Second Amendment, which I'm a big believer in the Second Amendment... in Paris, they had no guns. In California, they had no guns. Only the bad guys had the guns. So they were like sitting ducks, every one of them.

FTN:

Should the good guys get guns?

Trump:

The good guys... well...

FTN:

Should people carry?

Trump:

Ah... if they want to, they should be able to, because it's going to be a lot safer. Look at what's going on. We're going into these gun-free areas... how about the school, a few months ago. Gun free school, gun free area. And you look at what happened, it was a disgrace. If people had guns... how about the soldiers that were killed? Six soldiers were killed... champion marksmen, on a military base. They're not allowed to carry their guns. And a whack-job walks in and kills them. Not right.

So, I am a believer in the Second Amendment, and you know, the bottom line is the bad guys are always going to have the guns. We better do something about it. Paris is one of the toughest cities in the world for guns, right? You can't get 'em. And you had carnage.

Here's a link.

[Qiviut]

Last line:

Liberals who believe that jihadist attacks in the homeland will persuade Americans to disarm are very likely deluding themselves batsh!t crazy.

[alloysteel]

Regardless of what liberals try to convince Americans about ANYTHING, they turn out to be batsh!t crazy in most of their other beliefs as well.

Total lack of critical thinking on anything, it seems.

The teaching of algebra in lower grades would do much to find these unfocused individuals at perhaps early enough stage in life to take corrective steps. But, most of their teachers at that level would have a serious struggle with algebra as well.

Leading us to believe that nothing of the sort will ever be done.

[Lurkinanloomin]

The dreams of the confiscators have been futile for many years. There are now enough guns for every man, woman, and child to have one. 65 million just since Obama took office.
He’s the best gun salesman ever.

[FlingWingFlyer]

"What are you gonna do? Round 'em up?!" - Thanks Mark Levin. I laugh every time you say that! Funny stuff.

The dorks in the Obammie regime can't find 11 million illegals wearing LA Dodgers caps and Lakers shirts who can't speak English. How in the hell are they going to find 200 million guns? Idiots.

[Secret Agent Man]

It is reframing the issue off of muslim jihad and moving that blame onto law abiding us citizens. Hes always anted to disarm the citizenry. He has to take the heat off his muslim brothers and change what people are talking about.

Hes trying to get a win-win out of this by shifting focus.

[Billthedrill]

This one is, as the author points out, categorically different from the Aurora or Sandy Hook shootings: it is an armed terrorist attack inspired by a known, organized, and ultra-violent enemy. To attempt to turn that into an indictment of civilian firearms ownership is truly an act of desperation on two points: first, that the anti-gun activists know they are running out of time as the election clock ticks, and second, they've been stymied in Congress and that doesn't look to change anytime soon.

This is about power, nothing more, about the ability of a powerful minority to sway public opinion and then public policy. They're trying to use what they have while they still have it. They have neither Congress nor the Supreme Court (at the moment). What they have is a dictatorial President and a huge majority in the media. So that's what they're using.

[MIA_eccl1212]

New International Version
Proverbs 27:22
“Though you grind a fool in a mortar, grinding him like grain with a pestle, you will not remove his folly from him.”

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Scripture seems to indicate that their foolishness is embedded at a cellular or even a molecular level.
No amount of training, education, experience or even pain can drive the root source of foolishness that abounds in the hearts of some of these very foolishpeople .
Whenever God says something can’t be done. You can take it to the bank, it’s a waste of time to try.
What did the Romans do to win? They eradicated the enemy and then salted the earth, the very ground that they had once lived on. To the Romans it was the closest they could get to nuking the entire culture.
They didn’t have the technology we do today.
I’m not saying we should... I’m just pointing out that things have changed technology wise.

[KingofZion]

100% correct. It took a couple of nukes to end WWII, and it may take a few more to end the current war against the Islamo fascists. US can now produce enough oil to support our own needs, so no reason not to turn Iran and IS into a terrorist-free zone.

[Cincinnatus.45-70]

Their disarmament demands are not just futile as a way to disarm innocent American citizens, they are a deliberate attempt to start a civil war. The progressives believe they can win such a war against a few pockets of resistance and then confiscate guns from everyone else in a terrified public.

They have seen from Connecticutt and New York and other places that registration and voluntary turn-ins meet with peaceful non-compliance. So they want violence on a national scale to justify what they intend to achieve. Just my guess, of course.

[tanknetter]

Their disarmament demands are not just futile as a way to disarm innocent American citizens, they are a deliberate attempt to start a civil war. The progressives believe they can win such a war against a few pockets of resistance and then confiscate guns from everyone else in a terrified public.

You know, I really don't think that it's a deliberate attempt. I think it falls into two main categories:

1.) People who are deluded enough to think that there'll actually be compliance. You mention CT and NY, something I've done as well - both here and on social media. Gun control advocates are STUNNED when I point that out. They don't believe me and demand evidence. Which I then provide in the way of the various. but very low-key MSM stories. They generally fall silent, or indicate that they weren't aware. Indicating simple ignorance of the matter rather than anything deliberate.

2.) Those who are playing political chicken with the issue, thinking that they'll be able to manage the progress of the issue to their political advantage ... but still break off before the head-on crash. Again what we're seeing here is delusion, not deliberate intent. This time its not out of ignorance but hubris about being able to engineer the politics just right.

[Cincinnatus.45-70]

For those who live through a civil war and look back on it five years later, will it matter much whether the progressives were willfully evil or just willfully ignorant? I doubt it.