Posted on 12/04/2015 2:04:11 PM PST by DCdude
Faith in what?
In the guise of Satan that they call Allah. Isn’t it obvious. Give me a tougher question than this, please.
You seem to have some desire to make things relative.
I thought you owned something.
But don’t feel too bad. You think that something has to have some kind of fundamentally benevolent impulse at its core in order to be a religion.
Islam shows it isn’t true.
There might be other small time religions in various places that center on obvious, palpable, blatant evil. E.g. I’ve read of a place, visited by missionaries, where the ultimate victory was considered to double cross your friends and kill them. I doubt that this happens in a spiritual vacuum. But none with the population traction of Islam.
Ugh. People aren’t getting this
Make what relative to what?
A liquid that is drunk remains a liquid that is drunk, whether it gives you health or whether it kills you in a second.
So, is faith in Satan a religion in your view?
I thought you were smart.
Yes it is. I never called it a GOOD religion.
Satan is so evil that a faith claiming to be directly focused on Satan probably... probably... is not the worst possible one. It is hard to actually see Satan because of all the lies surrounding him, just like you can’t really see a black hole. What calls itself Satanism today tends to focus on caricatures that actually display some kinds of virtues, and they come up with a religion that is kind of jolly in a way. Profligate, but jolly.
These Islam dudes, when they are really serious, display a grimness that makes the stereotypical “Puritan” look like party animals.
Smart enough to see that you have some unexamined presuppositions.
Don’t say that in the US. The DOJ says that’s hate speech and will prosecute you.
Words have meaning and your words seem to be intentionally designed generate replies.
When I try to discuss the devil seriously with people, that kind of reaction tends to happen.
I’m talking about a creature that lives to lie.
Point out where I have actually violated the meaning of any word. I bet you can’t, because religion is a faith in a deity. If the deity is evil, the religion remains a religion. But very weird effects emanate from a religion like that.
I’m hoping that people get the point that man was made to believe. And that religions as we know them are what result when various entities that claim attributes of God, whether they are or aren’t actually God, are the object of such beliefs. And that yes, the human soul can plug and play the belief thing with lying deities ginned up by Satan and the result is still a religion, though the more evil the deity the weirder the religion.
You seem to be presupposing that religion = “something that looks more or less like Christianity.” It has a certain set of more or less benign social effects. It does not “suck.”
Maybe I’m getting more esoteric than people are used to hearing. And if so I apologize for the confusion this has engendered. To be a troll for the sake of trollery, Heaven forbid. But we have to get our mind out of this worldly plane if we expect to escape its fate.
I think we have traded this concept before.
Can there be a God without Satan?
We must say yes.
Can there be Satan without God?
I can’t see it as possible.
One of the greatest challenges on my road to Christ was this issue.
Do we need to acknowledge Satan, in order to know Christ?
This is not my first rodeo.
Which means exactly what? Are you riding on “rodeo experience”? I am riding on Christ.
No, God pre-existed the devil.
Salvation means delivery from evil. The Lord’s Prayer reads, deliver us from the Evil One (poneeros). Some sense of an enveloping evil that needs to be escaped, even if you aren’t calling that Satan, has to be there to accept or pursue a salvation. But IMHO.
Migration as Jihad.
Jihad includes dollars, pen, and speech with goal of the conquest of a host nations civilization. Jihad from without and within both the violent and by using a host nations laws and Western mind set against the host nation.
Short videos with lots of insight by a Phd using scientific methodology to study Islam: Quran and Sunna (Hadith and together Sira) and history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlKfQB6y0AM
http://www.politicalislam.com/category/videos-blogs-from-bill-warner/
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