Guns of the San Bernardino Terrorists

Ammoland ^ | 4 December, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

The above is a screenshot of the guns of the San Bernardino terrorists.  It has been reported that they had two “assault rifles”.  From ktla.com:

After they were killed in a shootout, two suspects in Wednesday’s mass shooting in San Bernardino were found to have been carrying AR-15 assault rifles, pistols and many magazines of ammunition, ATF Agent Meredith Davis said.

The New York Times and other outlets repeated the misinformation that was put out by the ATF.  In Agent Davis’ defense, she did say “commonly referred to as” before she said “assault rifles”.  The rifles are not “assault rifles”, which is a technical term, though they may be “assault weapons” a legal term defined under California law, which varies from state to state.

The rifles had been illegally altered to accept detachable magazines, and the terrorists had possession of numerous standard capacity magazines, instead of the reduced capacity magazines mandated by California law.  One of the rifles was manufactured by DPMS and the other was a Smith & Wesson  M&P 15.   It has been reported that there was an attempt to convert the M&P15 to full auto fire.

[marktwain]

Two common rifles, two common pistols. The rifles were altered to be illegal under California law.

[coloradan]

California should be thrilled. They managed to make those guns illegal before the massacre. Good going! That’s exactly what they wanted to do. Proactive gun control laws. Victory!

[wrench]

How did the gungrabbers totally miss that “M&P” stands for Military and Police?

War weapons intended for soldiers loose on our streets! /s

[ozzymandus]

So the Islamic terrorists broke the laws! The solution, according to our President? More laws! No wonder this genius is a Nobel laureate!

[tumblindice]

Why didn’t someone call Babs Boxer and have her come down and explain to these two kids that they were breaking the law?

[MeganC]

The rifles were altered to be illegal under California law.

Or they were just purchased in another state.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

Whatever they want to drudge up, all I can say is, I’d rather be shot than beheaded.

[Paladin2]

I read that the two perps themselves bought the handguns but not the rifles.

[hadaclueonce]

Altered the firearms, against the law.

Shooting and killing people against the law.

Do we need to set up a law like the NBA? Six fouls and your out.

I am just trying to figure out the rules, they seem to change all the time.

[Karliner]

According to Loretta Lunch I cannot speak nor write anything even considered “...violence inspired speech( by whom??)...” about ilscumiks who kill rape and mutilate. The CCCP/PRC/NK has arrived full force. Is the 1st amendment dead?

[smokingfrog]

Those evil black rifles made them do it!

[Myrddin]

fixing the mag catch back to standard is a 5 minute task and about $5 in parts when ordered "ala carte". The auto sear is more difficult. There is nothing remarkable about any of the firearms. The bad part was the operator.

[Larry - Moe and Curly]

Did you see those straps. That’s how the guns get you. They throw those straps over your head and then take you with them when they go on a killing spree - all the time threatening to choke you if you try to escape.

[butlerweave]

Obama and his Admin no nothing about this Constitution you speak of

[Capt. Tom]

The two semiautomatic rifles were versions of the popular AR-15 model, according to San Bernardino officials. One was made by DPMS Inc., and the other by Smith & Wesson.

This is a direct contradiction of an earlier FR thread that showed the shell casing on the ground and compared it to other shell casings and said the weapons used by the Muslim terrorists were AK 74s, and were not AK47s or AR15s or M16s.-Tom

[butlerweave]

on the Police scanner they said the girl in the back of the SUV had an AR-15 strapped to her chest

[marktwain]

“This is a direct contradiction of an earlier FR thread that showed the shell casing on the ground and compared it to other shell casings and said the weapons used by the Muslim terrorists were AK 74s, and were not AK47s or AR15s or M16s.-Tom”

You are correct. The earlier claim has been widely debunked. The casing shown was a common .223/5.56mm casing. The two .223 and 5.45x39 (the AK74 caliber) can look a bit similar, as the diameter of the bullet is very, very close. The AK 74 round is 5.45x39, while the .223 is 5.56x45. Both come in brass and steel cases, with various heat treatments.

[RatRipper]

Probably ran red lights getting there and leaving, too.

[Capt. Tom]

Thanks for the update. -Tom

[lacrew]

I remember that thread...and I think there was a mid thread debunking.