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Signs of push-back against Obergefell
Mercatornet ^ | 11/13/15 | Michael Cook

Posted on 11/13/2015 5:35:32 AM PST by wagglebee

Not all American states have placidly accepted the Supreme Court’s decision in Obergefell v Hodges to declare same-sex marriage constitutional. Some are listening to advice from legal scholars that “state officeholders” should “refuse to accept Obergefell as binding precedent”.

If this gathers momentum, there could eventually be some scope for state governors to ignore Obergefell as a precedent. Instead, they could argue that the Court had spoken authoritatively only for the parties involved in that case alone. It’s not likely, but a crack may be opening.

Here is what happened in Mississippi.

Lauren Beth Czekala-Chatham, a 52-year-old credit analyst, who already had two children from a failed heterosexual marriage, moved to California in 2008 so that she could marry Dana Ann Melancon. But the relationship soured and they separated in 2010. When Ms Czekala-Chatham applied for a divorce, citing adultery and habitual cruel and inhuman treatment,  she failed. The state predictably argued that Mississippi could not grant a divorce for a marriage which it did not recognise.

Her petition for a same-sex divorce was renewed soon after Obergefell decision was handed down on June 26. On November 5 the State Supreme Court declared that “We find that no contested issues remain for resolution and that the motion should be granted.” (link to PDF). In other words, since it was an open and shut case, there was nothing to discuss.

But, surprisingly, this conclusion was reached only by the narrowest of margins, 5 to 4. It was a bitter clash of views with the judges exchanging some remarkably ill-tempered remarks about loyalty to their oath of office.

How the four dissenters justified their opinions is extremely interesting – although it has been completely ignored by the media.

There were two schools of thought.

One was basically technical. Justice King and Justice Kitchens agreed that the US Supreme Court’s ruling must be obeyed. But they declared that “this Court does a great disservice to the jurisprudence of this State by reaching such result in an order, rather than issuing a precedential opinion”. Obergefell had not solved all issues relating to same-sex marriage – such as same-sex divorce, which was the case before the court – and a considered opinion would be valuable. It would also be a hat-tip of respect to voters, who had passed an amendment to the state constitution banning same-sex marriage in 2004. 

The second, astonishingly, breathed defiance. It relied heavily upon the arguments put forward by Professor Robert P. George and a number of scholars in support of “constitutional resistance”. As a layman, I had found George’s arguments perplexing. The dissents of the Mississippi judges made them far more plausible.

Justice Coleman wrote boldly that there is a “possibility that the United States Supreme Court has acted unconstitutionally”. This does not arise from prejudice against same-sex marriage, he claimed. “I would be writing the same statement and expressing the same concerns if faced with a United States Supreme Court decision that held the Constitution of the United States required every household in America to own a giraffe.”

In this, he was strongly influenced by the dissenting opinion of Chief Justice Roberts, who had written: “The majority’s decision is an act of will, not legal judgment. The right it announces has no basis in the Constitution or this Court’s precedent.” And Justice Scalia was even more withering in his comment: “This is a naked judicial claim to legislative—indeed, super-legislative—power; a claim fundamentally at odds with our system of government.”

Most Americans accept the notion of judicial supremacy, ie, that the Supreme Court is supreme in interpreting the supreme law of the land. But Justice Coleman points out that there has to be some limit to its powers. “It is absurd to think that the President of the United States, the Congress of the United States, the various federal agencies, the governors of the fifty states, the legislatures of the fifty states, the courts of the fifty states, and the innumerable agencies of the fifty states all can act in ways contrary to the Constitution, but that five or more justices of the Supreme Court, acting together, never can.”

The objection hinges on the whether the decision was “an act of will” or a carefully studied “legal judgement”. Justice Coleman employs a reductio ad absurdum to make his point:

For example, what should we do if the Supreme Court of the United States held … that the Constitution requires the Congress to declare war on countries that do not provide an accused the right to a jury trial? What if five justices on the United States Supreme Court serve upon Congress and the President an opinion and mandate that hold the Constitution requires all members of fill-in-the-blank ethnic group to be removed to work camps? If the Constitution truly means what five Supreme Court justices say it means, and no other soul in the country has a right to dispute them, what is the limit on its power?

The above examples are absurd, but the absurdity shows that the conclusion – that the Constitution means whatever a majority of the Supreme Court says it means – cannot always be true. The question for us then becomes, at what point does it become untrue?

This could create a problem of conscience for judges like Mississippi’s Justice Coleman:

If the four dissenters are correct, then the United States Supreme Court in Obergefell arguably has done something it has no power under the Constitution of the United States to do. … If such is the case, there may be lower-court judges who cannot both (a) follow Obergefell and (b) “faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon [them] . . . agreeably to the Constitution of the United States. . . .” [as the Mississippi Constitution says]. The two would be mutually exclusive.

In another dissent, Presiding Judge Dickinson queried the logic of regarding all Supreme Court decisions as binding. “If justices who do not follow Supreme Court precedent are in violation of the judicial oath—then every United States Supreme Court justice violates his or her oath of office every time he or she dissents to binding precedent.”

The powerful dissenting opinions of Chief Justice Roberts and Justices Scalia, Thomas and Alito in Obergefell have obviously had a strong impact upon lower court judges who are sceptical of an implied right to same-sex marriage in the American Constitution. Judge Dickinson writes:

I swore no oath to follow decisions that have “no basis in the Constitution.” And so long as the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution, I will recognize its interpretations as the supreme law of the land, and I will follow them, even where I disagree with them.  But when five members of the Court hand down an order that the other four members believe has “no basis in the Constitution,” a substantial question is presented as to whether I have a duty to follow it.

Supporters of same-sex marriage will no doubt taunt the Mississippi dissenters as “losers” and tell them to shut up: there is no appeal against a decision of SCOTUS. The best that the defeated side can do is reopen the issue when the composition of the court changes. This treats the Court as a divine oracle and scepticism as tantamount to blasphemy. As Catholic theologians used to say: Roma locuta; causa finita, Rome has spoken; the case is closed.

But constitutional law is not theology, whose building blocks are articles of faith. It is reasoned discourse based on a foundational document. The dissenting judges in Mississippi have raised a vital question about judicial activism: how should the legislative and executive branches respond if the Supreme Court ever oversteps its authority?

We know how America’s greatest president responded: Abraham Lincoln ignored the Court’s 1857 decision in Dred Scott v. Sandford, which declared that blacks could not be citizens and Congress could not ban slavery in federal territories. Instead he issued the Emancipation Proclamation and freed American slaves. He explained his sceptical view of judicial supremacy in his First Inaugural Address:

if the policy of the government upon vital questions affecting the whole people is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court … the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned their government into the hands of that eminent tribunal.

There will be no civil war over same-sex marriage. But there could be a change of hearts on judicial supremacy. After all, democracy is dearer to the hearts of Americans than their confidence in the wisdom of nine black-robed lawyers.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; samesexmarriage
"It is absurd to think that the President of the United States, the Congress of the United States, the various federal agencies, the governors of the fifty states, the legislatures of the fifty states, the courts of the fifty states, and the innumerable agencies of the fifty states all can act in ways contrary to the Constitution, but that five or more justices of the Supreme Court, acting together, never can."

Yet this is what the public has been lead to believe is the case.

1 posted on 11/13/2015 5:35:32 AM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 11/13/2015 5:36:16 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
You will probably enjoy this.
3 posted on 11/13/2015 5:36:31 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Very interesting.

I would propose a Constitutional Amendment that declares that only SCOTUS decisions in super-majority, similarly as is required of Congress, would be precedent binding. Decisions less than super-majority would bind only the specific litigants.


4 posted on 11/13/2015 6:23:42 AM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: X-spurt
When did the Constitution assign legislative power to the Supreme Court ?

Only Congress can make Law ... The Supreme Court renders opinions

5 posted on 11/13/2015 6:36:58 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: wagglebee

If CA, NY, NJ, CT, CO, WA, OR, and DC can IGNORE the Heller and McDonald decisions, then by the strength of God we should deny this evil Obergefell ruling.


6 posted on 11/13/2015 6:40:35 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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To: wagglebee

Put perversion to a public vote.


7 posted on 11/13/2015 6:51:16 AM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: knarf

I contend that the Founders did not intend the SCOTUS to be the simple majority hard final harbinger on the meaning of the Constitution without recourse.

Any “opinion” can now be re-dressed and reinstituted by the Legislature, but rarely are due to the power shift creep giving more to both the Administration and the SCOTUS.


8 posted on 11/13/2015 7:00:33 AM PST by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: wagglebee
Supporters of same-sex marriage will no doubt taunt the Mississippi dissenters as "losers" and tell them to shut up: there is no appeal against a decision of SCOTUS.

And that's why the Dred Scott decision is still revered as Settled Law.

9 posted on 11/13/2015 7:28:35 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: wagglebee

What is needed is a path to over rule Supreme Court. Congress should be able to reject a Supreme Court ruling by simple majority and send a ruling to the states which would immediately suspend the ruling taking effect till the states ratify the ruling using the same requirements as for a Constitutional Amendment. I’d also like for states to be able to initiate the process whereas any ruling could be voided by the states if the number required to pass an amendment nullify the ruling officially.


10 posted on 11/13/2015 7:30:05 AM PST by Maelstorm (America wasn't founded with the battle cry give me Liberty or cut me a government check!".)
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To: backwoods-engineer
If CA, NY, NJ, CT, CO, WA, OR, and DC can IGNORE the Heller and McDonald decisions, then by the strength of God we should deny this evil Obergefell ruling.

You would think so. It's interesting how Heller is applied in the most restrictive, localized cases, and with multiple stipulations, but Obergefell is treated as broadly as can be imagined, as "the law of the land," and God help anyone who even looks at it funny.

11 posted on 11/13/2015 7:51:26 AM PST by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: wagglebee

n one sense, a 5-4 decision of justices who are political appointees is simply a ukase by a dictatorship of five oligarchs if it is not rooted in the limiting words on specific area of government in the Constitution.

If most of the country wants to accept that ruling, it will end up becoming the legal precedent for law enforcement over the land. But the reductio ab absurd-am argument by the Mississippi judge illuminates the fallacy of slavish devotion to such a ruling.

Although the Roberts court ‘legalized’ Obamacare as a tax, enforceable on all Americans, it may yet tumble into the garbage heap of history by massive rejection and consequent nullification by the public.

As Andre Jackson famously said, “The Justices have made their decision. Now let them enforce it.” A sentiment by the way that Obama daily exercises by his executive orders.


12 posted on 11/13/2015 10:40:31 AM PST by wildbill (If you check behind the shower curtain for a murderer, and find one.... what's your plan?)
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To: All

The public in general and conservatives in particular are also taught obedience at all costs.

If you hand caesar a whip, don’t be surprised when he uses it later to flog you.


13 posted on 11/13/2015 11:42:36 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Voting is self-abuse - without the pleasure.)
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To: fwdude
Obergefell is treated as broadly as can be imagined, as "the law of the land," and God help anyone who even looks at it funny. Indeed. The Founders would be throwing tea casks off ships by now, or maybe more.
14 posted on 11/13/2015 5:22:34 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (AMERICA IS DONE! When can we start over?)
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To: Maelstorm

What we need is 3 good generals to clean out the lawless pigs in the executive branch, the legislative branch, and the judicial branch, execute the serial violators of the Constitution, execute those that have intentionally sent others to their death by not defending them (hillary comes to mind), and put the rest to fend for themselves.


15 posted on 11/14/2015 5:55:01 PM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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