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The Surprising Disappearance of Inflation
Townhall.com ^ | October 22, 2015 | Steve Chapman

Posted on 10/22/2015 8:43:19 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: ConservativeDude
The higher cost of food is a result of inflation, for one thing. Farmers have to pass their costs along.

With respect to the ethanol mandate, yes, I would say you missed something. The amount mandated for fuel has gone up every year since the law went into effect until 2013 [it's under the control of the EPA.]

Even when the blend percentage in gasoline does not go up -- basically it can't because Ethanol is already too destructive in internal combustion engines -- the corn is still purchased and ostensibly converted to ethanol. It may very well be rotting in US govt. grain storage as corn starch, converted to ethanol and burned up... who knows? We have several BILLION pounds of nonfat dry milk converted from excess production purchased by USDA over the last several decades to manipulate butterfat/milk prices.

EPA has actually missed its targets every year, thank God. In 2015, they decided to end the moratorium and increase the quota yet again. http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/29/despite-thunderous-opposition-epa-increases-the-ethanol-mandate/

41 posted on 10/22/2015 11:19:11 AM PDT by FredZarguna (An Ethiopian appears to have tampered with the fuel supply.)
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To: jimmygrace
If people aren’t getting jobs and raises and buying extra things, there will be no upward pressure on demand. Not having inflation is not necessarily a good thing.

Please reread your Milton Friedman. His fundamental thesis is now regarded as law by all economists, even Keynesians. See here, for one example among many: http://www.nber.org/papers/w1453

Inflation is ALWAYS a function of MONETARY POLICY -- Milton Friedman.

Put the pointy hat on and go sit on the stool in the corner until you commit that to heart. Increasing demand pressure does NOT have to create inflation. Increasing productivity does NOT have to cause deflation. A sound monetary policy keeps both of those pressures in check without [do I have to say it?] inflation.

42 posted on 10/22/2015 11:30:40 AM PDT by FredZarguna (An Ethiopian appears to have tampered with the fuel supply.)
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To: RipSawyer

My father in law told me a D-bar (a huge, mega thick Nestle’s candy bar) saved his life in WW2.

He was in a fire fight with a German. They both stood up hiding behind something and fired at each other at the same time. The German’s bullet hit the pocket with the D-bar, converting it to “coca powder” and deflected off. The German apparently wasn’t as lucky.


43 posted on 10/22/2015 11:36:38 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Kaslin
There is a bit of deception here because, technically, inflation is growth in the money supply ... not growth in prices (CPI). Yes indeed prices are rising (price inflation.)

If you look at the three major money supply measures, M0 (cash/currency in circulation), it is indeed relatively flat meaning that the actual amount of folding money and coin hasn't changed much. THAT is what is being reported as the basis for the no inflation claim.

However, the other two principle measures: M1 (M0 plus Checking Accounts) and M2 (M1 plus Savings Accounts), show significant inflation: M1 has grown by 6.7% in the last year, and M2 has grown 5.4% in the last year.

One other interesting measure "Loans to the Private Sector" has grown a whopping 10.2%!! In an economy where more and more purchases are made through credit instruments and not cash, M0 as a measure of inflation is increasingly irrelevant.

Inflation is real, it has been with us all along, it's just being hidden in the Credit boom rather than evident in cash. Wheel barrows are only needed to haul cash around ... not credit cards, mortgage loans and consumer credit loans.

In the end, the inflation of the money supply through credit is responsible for the increases in prices. So, yes ... all are correct in their assessment that inflation is not zero. The only thing not growing is the amount of folding money and coin running around ... a component of the money supply that has rapidly fallen into disuse and as a result has become not a very reliable indicator of inflation!

44 posted on 10/22/2015 12:11:42 PM PDT by Dimples
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To: WKUHilltopper
This guy hasn’t been to a grocery store? They’re doing the same crap as they did in the 70s.

The argument now is that "real" inflation is measured only by obscure monetary metrics involving M3 etc., and ..... here's the kicker ......price increases are not inflation.

So inflation isn't inflation, only bankers' discontent is real inflation, and if prices rise 200%, you can't complain (which is the bottom line).

Delinking consumer prices from "real inflation" has been the object all along of this charade.

45 posted on 10/22/2015 12:11:44 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutierrez)
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To: Kaslin

Bump for later.


46 posted on 10/22/2015 12:33:21 PM PDT by Springman (Rest In Peace YaYa123, Bahbah, and Just Lori.)
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To: RipSawyer

The official definition of inflation is “too many dollars chasing to few goods”. I can remember my econ instructor repeating that over and over ad nauseum....


47 posted on 10/22/2015 12:38:15 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Tuna in 2007 was 50 cents. Tuna today is $0.95.

Somewhere in the early part of that if I recall correctly, the size of the can went from 6 oz. to 5 oz., too.

48 posted on 10/22/2015 12:43:04 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Somewhere in the early part of that if I recall correctly, the size of the can went from 6 oz. to 5 oz., too.

I have a can of tuna right here in my office. I'll check.

Yup. It's 5 ozs. I don't remember what size it was in 2007.

49 posted on 10/22/2015 12:45:03 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: RipSawyer

Yes. Inflation is a monetary phenomenon.


50 posted on 10/22/2015 12:53:25 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Kaslin

Lots of people here don’t realize that shrinking package sizes boost the inflation number. So you need to look elsewhere for the cause.


51 posted on 10/22/2015 1:10:52 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: arthurus

Incorrect.


52 posted on 10/22/2015 1:14:53 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: stockpirate

One of the reasons inflation is “lower” is because fuel prices have dropped. So much for your #2.


53 posted on 10/22/2015 1:18:19 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: FredZarguna

check this out:

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/243438-epa-sets-ethanol-blending-requirements

I was actually thinking of the amount set by Congress...but you are are right, in that the amount in the real world goes up each year as sort of secondarily mandated by the EPA.


54 posted on 10/22/2015 1:21:15 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Toddsterpatriot

I wish I wasn’t on my phone, so I could link to “common misperceptions about the CPI.” This thread has most of them.


55 posted on 10/22/2015 1:21:26 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

http://www.bls.gov/cpi/cpiqa.htm


56 posted on 10/22/2015 1:42:01 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot ("Telling the government to lower trade barriers to zero...is government interference" central_va)
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To: Billthedrill

Why is my best work completely unintentional? LOL!


57 posted on 10/22/2015 1:46:45 PM PDT by refermech
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To: DiogenesLamp
Yogurt, from 2000 to now, went from 8 oz. to 6 oz. to now (for the "Greek" yogurt) 5 oz. "But it's Greek yogurt!!" (Yeah, I feel like someone's trying to "Greek" me!)
58 posted on 10/22/2015 1:53:14 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutierrez)
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To: FredZarguna
Even more significantly, go use those tires, and discover that even with good, regular rotation they only get you 50K miles instead of the 70K they used to get.

I don't think you can use general tire wear and tear that as an indication of inflation. You have to use the same car and same tire for replacement costs. None of the cars I've had in the last 30 years got anywhere near 70K miles. I've been close to 50K a couple of times by keeping the tires overinflated most of the time. Wearing the tire down to the legal minimum of 2/32 tread is actually pretty stupid unless you live in an arid climate.

59 posted on 10/22/2015 3:07:46 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: DiogenesLamp; Smokin' Joe
This was posted in 2009

6 ozs (170 grams)
60 posted on 10/22/2015 6:07:47 PM PDT by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet over to foreign enemies)
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