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No, Bernie Sanders, Scandinavia Is Not a Socialist Utopia
Townhall ^ | 10/18/2015 | Jeff Jacoby

Posted on 10/18/2015 6:52:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 10/18/2015 6:52:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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“You just need the right people to be in charge ... then it would work just fine.”


2 posted on 10/18/2015 6:55:40 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I've switched. Trump is my #1. He understands how to get things done. Cruz can be VP.)
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Sweden is the rape capital of Europe, and vitually all of them are committed by foreigners.


3 posted on 10/18/2015 6:58:10 PM PDT by Gunpowder green
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Hmm... Nordic countries as a model? Isn’t Sen. Sanders afraid of charges of racism?

There’s also the problem that socialism doesn’t scale. In the pure form it works well in monasteries, worked well in the Amana colonies, kibbutzes in Israel, might have worked at the size of a city-state, but the experiment in Paris got killed off before it ran long enough, but everywhere it’s been tried on a larger scale it’s a disaster. The same goes for the mixed system the Nordic countries actually have. It won’t scale.


4 posted on 10/18/2015 6:58:20 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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Didn’t used to be a lot of diversity up there, either.


5 posted on 10/18/2015 6:59:02 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: The_Reader_David

Socialism works just fine in voluntary communities. It’s not the collectivism that is the problem, it’s the force.


6 posted on 10/18/2015 7:00:58 PM PDT by jdege
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“........in a 1976 story on Sweden. “Its citizens enjoy one of the world’s highest living standards. . . . Neither ill-health, unemployment nor old age pose the terror of financial hardship. [Sweden’s] cradle-to-grave benefits are unmatched in any other free society outside Scandinavia.”

I was on a business trip to Sweden in 1977. My contacts there were primarily shore based Sea Captains involved in the operations of a major steamship line. I never heard so much crying about excessive taxation in my life. 85% is what they told me. They couldn’t afford much of anything if it weren’t for their expense accounts I was told.


7 posted on 10/18/2015 7:01:23 PM PDT by rockinqsranch ((Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.))
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Yes, but there are problems with scaling besides the need for compulsion. I’m not sure where the cut-point comes (and with modern computing it might now be larger than it was formerly), but even if everyone is enthusiastic about the project, when a socialist economy is large enough it ceased to function efficiently. It’s all in the Austrian school. I can never remember which critique was which, but vonMises and Hayek took socialism apart on the basis that the information needed to run an effective socialist economy can’t be collected and can’t be efficiently processed by a central authority (one made one point, the other the other).


8 posted on 10/18/2015 7:07:16 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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““You just need the right people to be in charge ... then it would work just fine.””

Unfortunately, when one of these “socialist bright spots” crashes, the first thing out of the Socialist’s mouths is that some how “the wrong people were in-charge” and that’s why it failed! Twenty years ago, I used to go to Sweden on business. Even then they were bringing in “immigrants” from the sub-continent and Africa and you could see that it was destined for failure. The cold hard fact of the matter is that “diversity” is a disaster. People don’t emigrate to integrate, the emigrate to find a job or as is the case with the muslims, to try and take over the country!
Why would anyone who’s used to sand dunes and camels want to emigrate to Sweden to have his balls frozen off nine months of the year?


9 posted on 10/18/2015 7:09:00 PM PDT by vette6387
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I don’t want a Scandinavian utopia. If you want one, go to Scandinavia.
I want an American utopia, one where liberty reigns and government adheres to the plain language of the Constitution.


10 posted on 10/18/2015 7:11:05 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Everyone entering NRA offices come out alive. Not so Planned Parenthood.)
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Bookmark


11 posted on 10/18/2015 7:13:11 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Socialism works great - temporarily.


12 posted on 10/18/2015 7:19:39 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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Bernie wants Scandinavia ? Move all 100,000 Syrian Jihadists to Vermont.


13 posted on 10/18/2015 7:20:19 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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"No, Bernie Sanders, Scandinavia Is Not a Socialist Utopia"

...and Hillary is not a fiscal or social conservative. She's the bipartisan political class' destroyer of businesses and families.


14 posted on 10/18/2015 7:32:24 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --"Deacon," "Waterworld")
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Yep. Socialism is not their biggest worry. It is the intake of a lethal dose of Islam.


15 posted on 10/18/2015 7:43:11 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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Sweden et all will rise again as Islamic immigrants continure to arrive.


16 posted on 10/18/2015 7:44:07 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (When the MSM and Elites want your opinion they will give it to you.)
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one where liberty reigns and government adheres to the plain language of the Constitution.

STOP HATING OBAMA JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK AND GAY!

17 posted on 10/18/2015 7:44:47 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: familyop

Minnesota is following Scandinavian policies. Soon to be a Caliphate


18 posted on 10/18/2015 7:47:06 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (When the MSM and Elites want your opinion they will give it to you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve been to Scandinavia. Even to the ‘non-Scandanavia’ Scandanavian nations like the Faroes and Iceland.

One thing Scandanavia-loving American liberals don’t mention is that Norway has a population of just over five million and practically has an oil well for each one of them, on-land or offshore.

They have fairly large mineral-rich nations, yet their entire population lives in an area about the size of Milwaukee.

I’m sorry, but their economy won’t scale well to a nation the size of the USA.

The other thing is that Scandanavia is filled with Scandanavians and they haven’t got the social ills that other nations have.... Bork Bork Bork.

Lastly, I was bored to tears in Scandanavia. Dynamic vibrant people they are not. Moody sour people about one bad life challenge away from syicidally overdosing on prescription drugs, they are.

I wish every American liberal would emigrate there.


19 posted on 10/18/2015 7:51:01 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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What’s the last big medical breakthrough, invention, or Internet startup to come out of Scandinavia?


20 posted on 10/18/2015 8:01:29 PM PDT by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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