Posted on 10/16/2015 6:21:23 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
The crash of flight MH17 on 17 July 2014 was caused by the detonation of a 9N314M-type warhead launched from the eastern part of Ukraine using a Buk missile system. So says the investigation report published by the Dutch Safety Board today. Moreover, it is clear that Ukraine already had sufficient reason to close the airspace over the eastern part of Ukraine as a precaution before 17 July 2014. None of the parties involved recognised the risk posed to overflying civil aircraft by the armed conflict in the eastern part of Ukraine.
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Thanks for the series of posts, and especially congratulations on getting them grouped.
Great job.
The engineer in me and long time watcher of the missile world finds this curious. The Buk is listed as a semi-active radar homing surface to air missile system. That means a radar transmitter on the ground is illuminating the target with radar energy. The missile homes in on the reflected radar energy coming off the target. A large aircraft flying basically straight and level (not maneuvering) and moderately high altitude (not treetop, not extreme height)... Should be a very easy target.
But that radar energy coming from below, and a missile coming from below... You'd expect the energy to reflect of large relatively flat surfaces such as the underside of the wing or fuselage near the wing root. Or parts of the tail assembly/stabilizers. You can also get radar "hot spots" off the front face of turbine engines or any significant discontinuities such as seams for flaps/slats or other control surfaces.
So what I find curious, is why the missile would have gone towards the front of the aircraft. Ok, maybe the radar "saw" through the radome on the front of the aircraft and got a big return off the weather radar dish in the front. That is a possibility if the radar was well out in front of the aircraft. But how did the missile miss so badly? These things are supposed to be able to hit small cruise missiles. They are supposed to able to intercept ballistic missiles. Why didn't it impact on the radar dish? Why didn't it fuse and detonate until it was passing over the aircraft? The closing velocity should not have been challenging compared to tactical aircraft or other missiles.
Like I said, curious. I wonder if the investigators came up with a theory and then force-fit their findings and conclusions to that theory.
“Sorta like steering your cargo ship into the path of a hurricane.”
If you check the Jet Route Navigation charts, you can see that a great many of those jet routes pass over areas of armed conflict, because going around them is both hazardous and economically devastating. Using many of the routes around the conflict zones requires the aircraft to encounter powerful headwinds in the jet stream, hazardous weather systems, and increased risks of fuel starvation. Hundreds of commercial aircraft used that jet route with safety the same day. The only reason a problem occurred with this ground radar guided missile is because the Russians deliberately shot the aircraft out of the sky, likely thinking it was either one of their own Russian passenger planes nearby being used in a false flag incident or a Ukrainian military transport. It is becoming difficult to travel by air most places in the world without potentially being targeted by a Russian- built surface-to-air missile launcher.
I have similar questions but at least they made on thing crystal clear.
“it is clear that Ukraine already had sufficient reason to close the airspace over the eastern part of Ukraine as a precaution before 17 July 2014”
I’m thinking the sub-sonic speed and larger than usual size for a tactical target resulted in the programming of the missile to slightly miscalculate the fusing and detonation sequence, so the missile overreached across the nose of its target before completing that detonation sequence.
“The only reason a problem occurred with this ground radar guided missile is because the Russians deliberately shot the aircraft out of the sky, likely thinking it was either one of their own Russian passenger planes nearby being used in a false flag incident...”
Because the Russians wouldn’t know where the Russian aircraft was in deliberate Russian false flag incident? lol
The Safety Board clearly stated it had no authority to investigate and report in regard to who was responsible for launching the surface-to-air missile at MH17. They said the subject of who shot down MH17 is the responsibility of a separate criminal investigation still underway. The missile and launcher were Russian weapons, regardless of precisely who launched the missile.
“I’m thinking the sub-sonic speed and larger than usual size for a tactical target resulted in the programming of the missile to slightly miscalculate the fusing and detonation sequence, so the missile overreached across the nose of its target before completing that detonation sequence.”
Or... horse puckey.
"The Dutch Safety Board said Tuesday the missile that shot down Malaysian Airlines Flight MH 17 over Ukraine in July 2014, killing all 298 civilians on board, was Russian-made and fired from an area controlled by Russian-backed separatists."
Read this: http://news.yahoo.com/russian-buk-missile-maker-disputes-dutch-mh17-inquiry-113955833.html
“Because the Russians wouldn’t know where the Russian aircraft was in deliberate Russian false flag incident? lol”
Actually, yes. Amateur photographs and videos quickly surfaced on the Internet the same day of the shootdown and shortly afterwards. The Buk was observed at various locations by these social media as it traveled from inside Russia to its firing position. After the shootdown, the Russian crew was seen celebrating and boasting about the destruction of the aircraft. When the news reported it was the Malaysian MH17 passenger plane instead of a Ukrainian military cargo plane or the Russian passenger plane, the BUK was moved back into Russia with the social media posting pictures of its passing by on its way back into Russia with a missile obviously missing that was seen aboard in the earlier pictures before the shootdown.
Comments at the time noted the crew of the Buk were known to be having problems locating their planned firing position and were late in setting up for their launch. The talk at the time was that the Buk crew confused the two aircraft because they were some minutes behind schedule for their setup.
Convenient. Sounds like a EUkrainian false flag operation.
“Or... horse puckey.”
Perhaps...but how many fractions of a second are required for a missile traveling at 3.5 to 4 times the speed of sound to miscalculate and overshoot an approaching target by around 10 to 20 meters?
I believe the Dutch report goes into some detail about the type of BUK missile it was and their conclusion was that it was an older version BUK missile which hasn't been manufactured since the late 1990s.
Ukraine's military still fields these older BUK systems, Russia does not.
“Convenient. Sounds like a EUkrainian false flag operation.”
Not possible given the evidence of the Russian Army taking the Buk from inside Russia into Russian occupied Ukraine and the actual firing position as witnessed in the independent photo-video reports which originated with the amateurs posting in the social media.
Go into a war zone, get shot. Shock.
This plane was carrying AIDS researchers too as I recall, at a time when Russia was being castigated as being insensitive to homosexuals. Another coincidence, I am sure.
Anyway, it is good to see that Soros’ ambitions for the EUkraine are only partially successful.
Attempts to change the subject and absolve Putin and Russia in the Russian murders fo the MH17 crew and passengers is not working now or ever.
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