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Donald Trump Gets Saddam Hussein — and the Mideast — Wrong
National Review ^ | 10/09/2015 | David French

Posted on 10/09/2015 6:46:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: middleeast; saddamhussein; trump
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1 posted on 10/09/2015 6:46:49 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

National establishment review , so no more.


2 posted on 10/09/2015 6:48:22 AM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: manc

I happen to agree with the article.


3 posted on 10/09/2015 6:49:53 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: manc

True that, he’s probably not “nuanced” enough for NR and the GOPe-he might do what a majority of patriotic Americans would do if we had the power, and he doesn’t need Saudi money.


4 posted on 10/09/2015 6:50:30 AM PDT by mrsmel (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: manc

RE: National establishment review , so no more.

Nothing they say is right at all? Even when they tell us the sun rises in the east and sets in the west?


5 posted on 10/09/2015 6:51:27 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Millions of people have said Iraq (and George) was the wrong move. Trump says it and everyone jumps up and down w no actual side....aka.....chaos.

Please remember that "Regime Change" was Bubba's and the Dems agenda. I believe at some point, even Hillary said it "directly". That quote is around someplace.

6 posted on 10/09/2015 6:52:59 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind
If we speed up history and skip what the Brits and French did to create this mess, then we come to Jimmy Carter.


7 posted on 10/09/2015 6:53:00 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("In a democracy people get the leaders they deserve." - Joseph de Maistre, 1753-1821)
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To: mrsmel

Is “nuanced” in the popular context code for mendacious?


8 posted on 10/09/2015 6:53:32 AM PDT by Califreak (Hope and Che'nge is killing U.S. Feel the Trump-mentum!(insert ireallysupportCruzdisclaimerhere/))
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To: Maceman
Donald Trump is an ignoramus when it comes to foreign affairs. However, there are people like John Bolton he can appoint to help him with that shortcoming. Trump did have the sense to go to Senator Jeff Sessions for immigration advice, so there is hope.

Hope is something we don't have with anyone in the GOPe or Democrat stable.

9 posted on 10/09/2015 6:55:25 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (ObaMao: Fake America, Fake Messiah, Fake Black man. How many fakes can you fit into one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is no short answer to these questions.


10 posted on 10/09/2015 6:55:28 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m coming to understand that any secular strongman who keeps a tight leash on his muzzies isn’t all bad. They are the worst animals to exist on this planet since the Holy Spirit was given to us almost 2000 years ago.


11 posted on 10/09/2015 6:55:54 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Maceman
I happen to agree with the article.

Agree as well. Trump's foreign policy ideas, especially where Putin is involved, are nonsensical.

Doesn't much matter, Trump will not be the nominee.

12 posted on 10/09/2015 6:56:07 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Maceman
"I happen to agree with the article."

I agree also. I'm certainly not anti-Trump but will acknowledge that he's very, very weak on foreign policy. Of course, I don't think Hillary or Biden are any better. The Donald can bone up and remedy his lack of knowledge in this area; Hillary and Biden can never overcome their greed and dishonesty in this arena.

13 posted on 10/09/2015 6:57:30 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s utter nonsense.

Yet I am still supporting what Trump is doing.

His presence is beneficial and helped out a huge amount.

The real story is (or was as Yeb is So Yesterday as iCarly might say) is Yeb was saying the same nonsense.


14 posted on 10/09/2015 6:58:24 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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RE: Millions of people have said Iraq (and George) was the wrong move.

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Except members of those here at FR, which I remember Overwhelmingly supported the deposing of Saddam Hussein.

Suddenly, when Trump says something, everything FReepers supported before (including opposing the Kelo vs City of New London eminent domain decision ) is wrong.


15 posted on 10/09/2015 6:58:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Maceman

I agree with the article as well.


16 posted on 10/09/2015 6:58:54 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Maceman

I generally agree with your main point. I think we should never apologize for removing that madman, Saddam. Removing him was the right thing to do. Disbanding his army and sending them home and starting from scratch was the fools thing to do. Electing Obama and having him “honor” his campaign commitment of removing all US forces (too early) is why we are were we are today. Saddam’s officers and disgruntled others is the backbone of modern day Islamic State. Regime change and “spreading democracy” is debatable but can’t be forced is the hard lesson. Trying to reason with 7th century throwbacks is proving to be pointless.


17 posted on 10/09/2015 7:00:06 AM PDT by corlorde (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Sacajaweau

I wasn’t against taking out Saddam but I was against Bush’s attempts at nation building in the middle east. I think we should have been there to kill as many terrorist as possible. The real mess happened when Executive Anus took over and started supporting our terrorist enemies.


18 posted on 10/09/2015 7:00:27 AM PDT by peeps36 (Save The Tortoise And Kill The People)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Mid East is never stable. But it was stable-er with the dictators in power. That’s the point.

Trump isn’t saying is was nirvana over there before Saddam was taken out.

The problem was we did not have a good plan for what happens after. We stupidly thought we could put in a puppet government and hold ‘democratic’ elections and ‘nation build’ and everything would be better than before. That’s STUPID.

Let me repeat. ‘Nation building’ in these regions is STUPID!

Unless you are going to stay in the middle east and personally run every blessed thing yourself for 1000 years, the ME will never be ‘stable’. And even if we did that we’d lose several hundred of our people every year ... if not more.

The place is not worth that.


19 posted on 10/09/2015 7:00:40 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: SeekAndFind

Neocons: every bit as destructive to civilization as Democrats.

“I think he was a disaster and I think it was one of the worst decisions ever made. [He] has totally destabilized the Middle East. If you had Saddam Hussein, you wouldn’t have the problems you have right now.”

Trump is not the man we need as president, but really, who can argue with this?

“In 2009, Barack Obama inherited a Middle East where American and Iraqi forces had crushed the al-Qaeda insurgency, Libya’s Moammar Qaddafi was effectively neutralized — agreeing months after Saddam fell to abandon his own WMD stockpiles — and Iran’s power was checked in part by the presence of American combat troops next door.”

And the idiot Neocons, just as they overestimated our reception as “liberators,” underestimated the Left’s ability (and willingness) to use Iraq to weaken America. Because the Neocons were orgasmic over their cute little nation building project, they failed to win the war.

“He invaded his neighbors, gassed his people, built up a vast stockpile of chemical weapons, supported terrorism, and triggered multiple military confrontations with the U.S.” Yeah, and up until about 2 years ago there were Christians in Syria.

“Palestinian suicide-bombing campaign that caused more Israeli civilian casualties..” Now Russia will own the ME outright.

What can you say though? A Neocon is a Neocon because they’re hopelessly naive.


20 posted on 10/09/2015 7:00:42 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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