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Ethicist: The ACLU is Right to Sue Catholic Hospitals
NBC News ^ | 10/05/2015 | Arthur Caplan

Posted on 10/05/2015 10:24:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The visit to the United States by Pope Francis left a lot of goodwill behind. But there are areas where that goodwill slams into a church-state wall. The views of the church are completely out of step with American law and values when it comes to health care for women.

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has just announced a lawsuit against Trinity Health Corporation, one of the largest Catholic health systems in the country.

The suit highlights a key area where the Catholic Church and the law of land are colliding.The lawsuit says Trinity is failing in its duties to provide proper care to women in rare emergency situations when an abortion is required to save the life of the mother.

Trinity requires that its 80 hospitals around the country abide by rules advanced by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. The Ethical and Religious Directives say that no doctor working at a Catholic hospital can terminate a pregnancy even if the mother's life is in danger.

Abortion isn't the only sticking point between the bishops' directives and sound medical care for women. Patients with cancer whose disease might be made worse should they become pregnant or for whom treatments might pose terrible risks to a fetus cannot have their tubes tied. And emergency contraception or even a discussion of it even post-rape is off limits too.

The restrictions on what doctors can do in Catholic facilities impacts many female patients, Catholic and non-Catholic. Catholic hospitals account for one in nine hospital beds nationally and as many as 1 in 6 in some states. Ten of the 25 largest hospital systems in the U.S. are Catholic. In the past decade mergers have led to a 16 percent increase in the number of Catholic-sponsored hospitals.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; aclu; catholic; deathpanels; epa; globalwarminghoax; hospitals; lawsuit; obamacare; plannedparenthood; popefrancis; romancatholicism; stemexpress; zerocare
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1 posted on 10/05/2015 10:24:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Why would some jews even care what the catholic hospital is doing? Just go to another hospital.


2 posted on 10/05/2015 10:27:23 AM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course they do.

They have a right to sue a styrofoam cup if they like.


3 posted on 10/05/2015 10:27:44 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it)
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To: SeekAndFind
This was so Predictable. The left just isn't going to stop until it hits a brick wall.

The problem is that the Democratic party is being dragged leftward with it full bore.

4 posted on 10/05/2015 10:32:27 AM PDT by CptnObvious
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To: escapefromboston

Absolutely!

If you want to kill your unborn baby, then don’t go to a Catholic hospital.

The commandment is perfectly clear: THOU SHALT NOT KILL

If you can’t live with that, there are many hospitals who will gladly kill your baby for you.


5 posted on 10/05/2015 10:33:07 AM PDT by basil ( God bless the USA!)
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To: escapefromboston

RE: Why would some jews even care what the catholic hospital is doing? Just go to another hospital.

If you continue reading the article it says — in some communities, there are no options for emergency care.


6 posted on 10/05/2015 10:33:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: basil

RE: The commandment is perfectly clear: THOU SHALT NOT KILL

As I read the article, I am not sure what the author is railing at ... the fact that Catholic hospitals don’t perform elective abortions, or that Catholic hospitals don’t perform abortions to save the mother’s life.


7 posted on 10/05/2015 10:35:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
The Ethical and Religious Directives say that no doctor working at a Catholic hospital can terminate a pregnancy even if the mother's life is in danger.

That is a flat out lie. This is straight from the USCCB directive:

Operations, treatments, and medications that have as their direct purpose the cure of a proportionately serious pathological condition of a pregnant woman are permitted when they cannot be safely postponed until the unborn child is viable, even if they will result in the death of the unborn child. http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/health-care/upload/Ethical-Religious-Directives-Catholic-Health-Care-Services-fifth-edition-2009.pdf

See Page 26.

8 posted on 10/05/2015 10:35:38 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: SeekAndFind

ACLU lacks standing.


9 posted on 10/05/2015 10:35:57 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: SeekAndFind

They know jolly well what any faithful Catholic hospital would do if forced by lawsuit to sin, however. It would close, leaving the community high and dry.


10 posted on 10/05/2015 10:36:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: C19fan

It’s a misleading technical truth which, as your cite demonstrates, is irrelevant in cases where it matters.


11 posted on 10/05/2015 10:37:53 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: SeekAndFind
It will be a shame if the Atheist zealots and the government force the many charitable Catholic hospitals to shut down because of their anti-Christian bigotry.
12 posted on 10/05/2015 10:38:18 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are those committed by illegal aliens)
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To: PATRIOT1876

They want to work shame on the country.


13 posted on 10/05/2015 10:39:05 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: SeekAndFind

NO our Catholic Hospitals don’t due abortions, it’s a sin...

If you want an abortion, go to Carly’s, Planned Parenthood, she’s given enough money to fund it for that.....


14 posted on 10/05/2015 11:18:10 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 (I have such happy days, and hope you do too!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
If you continue reading the article it says — in some communities, there are no options for emergency care.

Killing babies isn't emergency care.

15 posted on 10/05/2015 11:20:17 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
They know jolly well what any faithful Catholic hospital would do if forced by lawsuit to sin, however. It would close, leaving everyone DEPENDENT ON THE GOVERNMENT.

And that's what the leftists actually want.

Every Catholic, Lutheran, Baptists etc (most are Catholic) hospital in America is a stinging reminder to the anti-God totalitarian left the they DON'T control every aspect of your life.

16 posted on 10/05/2015 11:23:08 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: PATRIOT1876

See #16.


17 posted on 10/05/2015 11:24:12 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: C19fan; SeekAndFind; escapefromboston; Westbrook; basil; reagandemocrat; HiTech RedNeck; ...
Thanks, C19fan, I was just about to post that myself.

Anybody who cares to, can read the entire document "Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Healthcare Services" here (LINK).

These are truly excellent worth a careful reading.

18 posted on 10/05/2015 11:57:18 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you DO read it, you're misinformed. - Twain)
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To: C19fan

Thank you. I was going to say that.


19 posted on 10/05/2015 12:01:45 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: SeekAndFind

If someone wants to murder their child and this Hospital refuse to help that person can go someone else. No one is stopping her. But you can not force a person to commit murder.


20 posted on 10/05/2015 12:34:05 PM PDT by 48th SPS Crusader (I am an American. Not a Republican or a Democrat)
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