Posted on 10/03/2015 5:01:30 AM PDT by navysealdad
The Vatican has fired a monsignor who came out as gay on the eve of a big meeting of the world's bishops to discuss church outreach to gays, divorcees and more traditional Catholic families. Monsignor Kryzstof Charamsa was a mid-level official in the Vatican's doctrine office. In newspaper interviews published in Italy and Poland Saturday, Charamsa said he was happy and proud to be a gay priest, and was in love with a man whom he identified as his boyfriend.
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I'd hope that if Charamsa said he was happy and proud to be a heterosexual priest, and was in love with a woman whom he identified as his girlfriend, he would have been fired, too.
...oh, he’d be shot for that kind of offense.....
Anyone see a problem here?
This is how the sex abuse scandal should have been handled from the beginning
Immediate firing, and active prosecution
You can be as big of a queer child-molester all you want....just don’t tell anybody. (Vatican Don’t ask, don’t tell)
This guy apparently published a “gay manifesto” from his office! But I’m sure if he’d announced he was living with a woman and was advocating for a married clergy from his office, he would have been removed.
No. You can't un-priest a priest. Just like you can't un-baptize someone who is baptized.
A defrocked priest. He can take up with God when the time comes.
Can’t he still be defrocked?
No. You can’t un-priest a priest. Just like you can’t un-baptize someone who is baptized.
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Unless I’m mistaken, that’s not much different than protestant Ministers. A person can still be a Minister, whether said Minister has a congregation or not, is a different matter.
What do you mean by defrocked?
As with baptism, the effect of the sacrament of Holy Orders cannot be removed.
Laicized priests are removed from public ministry.
Full QuestionI've heard that when a man leaves the priesthood, he undergoes a process called "laicization," which takes away his priestly powers, making him a regular layman. Is this correct?
Answer
It is only partly correct. Laicization is a process which takes from a priest or other cleric the licit use of his powers, rights, and authority. Laicization occurs automatically when a priest, deacon, or monk marries or joins the military without permission. Major clerics (priests and deacons) are directly laicized through their superiors by the penalty of degradation. The Holy See also has the privilege of laicizing major clerics.
Laicized clerics are forbidden to wear clerical dress or to perform ceremonies or to administer the sacraments ordinary to their former offices. Priests who are laicized are required to continue practicing celibacy, although dispensations from this discipline are frequently given. Otherwise, laicization renders a cleric for ecclesiastical purposes the equivalent of a layman.
The supernatural mark of holy orders and the powers connected with the sacrament (especially for the priest) remain even after laicization, although they cannot be used licitly. A laicized priest has the power to confect the Eucharist. Although to the world he may live as a layman, in a sense "once a priest, always a priest."
So, will the Vatican soon start letting gay priests get married, or will they stick with ‘don’t ask don’t tell’?
Yes. The problem is in the reporting or the lack of it. Once ordained, a man is a priest forever, exactly as a man and women married are married forever. Question is, will he serve Mass and hear confessions?
So like Kim Davis, they will say whoever made the decision was unknown, took the Pope by surprise, and apologies will be made as the Pope welcomes another homosexual couple.
One thing about Francis, he has certainly encouraged the long concealed villains to come out of the church hierarchy woodwork, thinking themselves protected. This means that if the next Pope is conservatives, they will be a lot easier to purge.
I thought that was what excommunication was for
No, excommunication doesn't unbaptize, unmarry, unbishop or unpriest.
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