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The most important driver of stock prices is finally rolling over [NO MORE EARNINGS GROWTH]
Business Insider ^ | Sep. 22, 2015 | Sam Ro

Posted on 09/24/2015 3:58:36 AM PDT by expat_panama

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U.S. Futures at 8:55

S&P 500
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4,221.25 -41.50 -0.98%

21 posted on 09/24/2015 5:55:07 AM PDT by citizen (America is-or wa5s-The Great Melting Pot. JEB won't even speak American in his own home. NO Bush!!)
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To: expat_panama

What an F’ing lie, the most important driver of stock prices is QE. The Fed loaning money interest free to banks who in turn buy stocks which drive up prices. Then as we watched a few weeks ago a selloff. Then the banksters start all over again.


22 posted on 09/24/2015 6:03:33 AM PDT by stockpirate (A corrupt government is the real enemy of the people.and media)
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To: Alberta's Child

You know the economic history of Japan. Central planning always fails. Let the marketplace rule.


23 posted on 09/24/2015 6:10:07 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: i_robot73

Spot on. Starve the beast of it’s power and money. It’s the only way.


24 posted on 09/24/2015 6:11:33 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: citizen

People have always been apathetic.


25 posted on 09/24/2015 6:12:04 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: expat_panama; redgolum

In the right fiscal environment, ZIRP would have been adrenaline, in this case it’s become morphine. But that’s the fault of Democrats and their enablers. Our fiscal policy is the worst it has been since Carter.

And I don’t like ZIRP or the FED. Twelve Americans shouldn’t decide monetary policy for the rest of us 300 million. Let the marketplace do that.


26 posted on 09/24/2015 6:14:14 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: expat_panama

“It’s the lure of easy money”

People want easy money.

Mid-America has been borrowing money at low interest rates and then investing in the stock market.


27 posted on 09/24/2015 6:22:44 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6
Caterpillar forecast is down. :(
Caterpillar Inc said it could cut up to 10,000 jobs through 2018 (4,000-5,000 jobs by the end of 2016)....The company's shares fell as much as more than 6 percent to $65.77 in early trading on Thursday....Caterpillar also said it expected 2015 revenue to be about $48 billion, $1 billion lower than its previous forecast.... Revenue is expected to fall about 5 percent in 2016, the company said.
28 posted on 09/24/2015 6:47:03 AM PDT by citizen (America is-or wa5s-The Great Melting Pot. JEB won't even speak American in his own home. NO Bush!!)
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To: expat_panama

The Fed’s ZIRP is covering for Obama and the Dems: http://www.the-american-interest.com/2015/09/21/low-interest-rates-mask-the-effects-of-job-killing-policies/


29 posted on 09/24/2015 8:13:46 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Whether it’s the economy, the Middle East or race relations 0bama and Jarrett’s aim is the same:
Leave them for the next president to deal with. All will be in shambles but the ruin will be masked with a fresh coat of paint that will wash off in the first 2017 rainstorm of trouble.


30 posted on 09/24/2015 9:01:00 AM PDT by citizen (America is-or wa5s-The Great Melting Pot. JEB won't even speak American in his own home. NO Bush!!)
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To: citizen; expat_panama

“All will be in shambles but the ruin will be masked with a fresh coat of paint that will wash off in the first 2017 rainstorm of trouble.”

Agreed! And it happens EVERY DAMN TIME! Grrrrr!

There is no way in heck I would want to be President after this nightmare, and I seriously doubt that ANY of the current crop of GOPe ENABLERS are going to change a thing.

It’s every woman for herself these days. More so now than EVER.


31 posted on 09/24/2015 11:56:19 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: stockpirate
The most important driver of stock prices...   ...EARNINGS GROWTH...

F’ing lie, the most important driver of stock prices is QE.

Loopy lefties like to say that, but ofcourse while they say it they only believe it enough when it comes to spending other peoples (tax) money.  When it comes to their own money they know full well that with QE stocks can go up, down, or stay the same.  I mean, last week when the fed kept rates the same you what --bought into anything?

Not saying you're a liar though.  You may be merely stupid mistaken.

32 posted on 09/24/2015 1:38:17 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
There is no way in heck I would want to be President after this nightmare

Agree. I think I saw where you said y'all are retiring to a farm soon, so I'm guessing you've been watching these things as long as I have. And it usually goes that way, mostly because the MSM always adopts the line of Dimocrats "fixing" things and conservatives f'ing them up when it's actually the other way round.

So if an R is sworn in Jan 2017, the economy will immediately be seen as bad, interest rates will go up, the jobs are bad, the pay is bad, the Middle East is now a big problem and ISIS has to be dealt with, Putin, too....and it's all the fault of the the Republican Congress and new president.

And just after 0bama had things all fixed, too!....That's what they'll say.

33 posted on 09/24/2015 2:48:06 PM PDT by citizen (America is-or wa5s-The Great Melting Pot. JEB won't even speak American in his own home. NO Bush!!)
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To: expat_panama; stockpirate
I think the stock pirate is saying the stock prices were driven up unnaturally by TARP, stimulus and the QEs following 2008. But he can speak for himself.

From my chair it looks like stock earnings during this time really do not justify their high valuations as suggested by the equity indexes.

Btw, Yellin is still saying she anticipates an IR bump this year. anticipates.... hmmm

34 posted on 09/24/2015 2:58:44 PM PDT by citizen (America is-or wa5s-The Great Melting Pot. JEB won't even speak American in his own home. NO Bush!!)
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To: citizen

Exactly.


35 posted on 09/24/2015 7:09:39 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: citizen; stockpirate
I think the stock pirate is saying the stock prices were driven up unnaturally by TARP

--and I am grateful for his raising the point. Still, while most folks on these threads say the same thing, every time I look at TARP and stock prices--

--what I see is that stocks tanked when TARP came on line and they recoverd as TARP was wound down.   I mean, who are we to believe, everyone on the FR or our own lying eyes?

36 posted on 09/25/2015 2:15:28 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Your chart is misleading, I didn’t say TARP, QE has been a lot more then just the money in TARP, you and I both know this.

The FED has pumped trillions into the markets via QE.


37 posted on 09/25/2015 4:49:26 PM PDT by stockpirate (A corrupt government is the real enemy of the people.and media)
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To: expat_panama

No, I didn’t buy in to anything, I am out of the market.

QE gives money to the banks, the banks in turn purchase stocks and commodities thereby moving prices up, as long as the QE money is flowing the prices stay inflated. Once in a while they have a selloff to reset the prices and lock in profits.

But my guess is you know this. A famous man once said, “ if the truth is on your side argue the truth, if the law is on your side argue the law, If neither is on your side yell, pound on the table and call them names.”

So by calling me names we see where you are in this discussion.


38 posted on 09/25/2015 5:05:52 PM PDT by stockpirate (A corrupt government is the real enemy of the people.and media)
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To: citizen; stockpirate
I think the stock pirate is saying the stock prices were driven up unnaturally by TARP,

Made sense and I was willing to think so, but now it looks like we're in guilty of name calling Cit. ;)  Don't get me wrong as I realize that this is a passionate issue so it is good we got into it and rechecked the record.

39 posted on 09/26/2015 6:10:05 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

I think the stock pirate is saying the stock prices were driven up unnaturally by TARP,
Made sense and I was willing to think so, but now it looks like we’re in guilty of name calling Cit. ;) Don’t get me wrong as I realize that this is a passionate issue so it is good we got into it and rechecked the record.

No it wasn’t TARP as I pointed out, it’s the Fed printing money and loaning it to the banks at zero interest. It’s referred to as QE which is different than TARP.

Again nice try, slight of hand by referring yet again to TARP, but your reference to TARP is wrong, I did not say TARP


40 posted on 09/27/2015 5:11:34 AM PDT by stockpirate (A corrupt government is the real enemy of the people.and media)
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