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Israeli, Russian Armies to Form Joint Committee on Syria Actions
haaretz.com ^ | Sep 22, 2015 3:05 AM | Gili Cohen

Posted on 09/22/2015 1:29:18 PM PDT by Trumpinator

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To: Trumpinator

this is good news


41 posted on 09/22/2015 2:36:45 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Trumpinator
It seems Russia knows how to use the Shia / Sunni divide which seems to confuse the State Dept.

You're right. And the State Department is always in a state of confusion regards differences in factions in the Middle East. Not just the U.S.A., this has been the case for many decades in the thinking of Western powers. Those national borders inflicted on Middle Eastern nations by Western powers make little sense to factions living there. Iraq, Syria and other nations were artificially held together, and Obama is the trigger on blowing it all apart. Like Humpty Dumpty falling and breaking, our State Department is in confusion and thinks they can put Humpty Dumpty back together again - won't happen. Russia is smarter, yet to be seen what their goals are.

42 posted on 09/22/2015 2:41:53 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Trumpinator

I often wonder WHY we are so buddy buddy with England. We need to be more practical about who are our allies.


43 posted on 09/22/2015 2:55:29 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Trumpinator

Yes, the Crimea war was a disgrace, and it was the first of a series of events leading to the Armenian genocide.


44 posted on 09/22/2015 2:56:38 PM PDT by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: roadcat

We pay our government to stay on top of these things and for some reason, the government isn’t bothering to learn and remember these things.


45 posted on 09/22/2015 3:00:04 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: grania

I don’t think Israel wants Russia there, but doesn’t want to tangle with them directly.

Israel and Russia have opposite policies in Syria. Russia wants to support the Assad regime and crush ISIS in the north, and Israel wants to bring down the Assad regime, and support the Al-Nusra front in southern Syria.


46 posted on 09/22/2015 3:00:11 PM PDT by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: Trumpinator

Fascinating

And I heard several Chinese ships transited the Suez and are on the way


47 posted on 09/22/2015 3:00:20 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Trumpinator

You are wise grasshopper

Neither Israel nor Russian interests are served by the ayatollahs having a functional nuclear weapon

Iranians are not friends of Russia, they are only customers


48 posted on 09/22/2015 3:03:05 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Sacajaweau

Excellent


49 posted on 09/22/2015 3:03:28 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: DoughtyOne
Hezbollah is allowed only so much leeway, then they threaten the interests of both parties

Assad the elder owed Iran many favors for their financial support of his regime over the decades - all he really had to offer was geography

It sure seems like Assad and Israel could live with each other, albeit with mutual distrust and occasional drama

Bashir Assad has only been in office since 2000 ( elected 3 times now) so many people use the name Assad as if he was his father and guilty of his father's repressions, notably against Palestinian camps

He is not - check his education ... Western educated doctor,, was not raised to be the Assad heir but his older brother died

After all, just 10 years ago both Pelosi and Kerry were wining and dining with Mr and Mrs Bashir Assad

50 posted on 09/22/2015 3:12:16 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: DoughtyOne
With bases on the Med and agreements to help develop the gas fields of Cyprus? Probably a good plan to have permanent access to a location key to making sure of Black Sea access

Especially with US facilities in turkey , southern NATO flank, and US ties to Israel

Look at the region like a chessboard
Russians play great chess
Obama plays putt putt golf

51 posted on 09/22/2015 3:17:21 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Trumpinator

I’ve no doubt the Israelis trust Putin more than they do Obama.

Who turned ISIS loose on the middle east in the first place?

It wasn’t Putin.


52 posted on 09/22/2015 5:03:04 PM PDT by marron
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To: ColdOne

= :^(


53 posted on 09/22/2015 6:27:07 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: Trumpinator

I agree with your thoughts there.


54 posted on 09/22/2015 6:27:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: grania

I agree. Those are reasoned thoughts and questions.


55 posted on 09/22/2015 6:30:24 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: silverleaf

I have viewed the current Assad to be a reserved individual, more or less. He hasn’t been flamboyant, with regard to being an oppressive guy.

The insurgents have brought that out of him IMO. The reports of gas use are quite troubling, but I’m not exactly sure what did transpire over there.

Governments will do what they think they must to remain in power. That doesn’t always mean they are evil.

As you said, elections have been held and the results were favorable to the government. I have no idea how fair they are.


56 posted on 09/22/2015 6:45:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: silverleaf

Oh I agree. They’re five moves ahead of this guy.


57 posted on 09/22/2015 6:47:24 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.)
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To: DoughtyOne

:@)


58 posted on 09/22/2015 7:49:44 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 HillaryForPrison2016)
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To: Sawdring

I don’t think the Russians would have went more south than Anatolia or Greece. But who knows. It’s a what if.


59 posted on 09/23/2015 6:04:54 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: marron
Here is the thing - and a lot of the McCain kind of people won't ever admit - that this Arab spring is a shared Republican and Democrat (the official party not the base) fiasco. The powers that be in Washington (and they are not all neocons) chose trans-formative chaos in the guise of democratic revolutions over stability.

A part of me does not even know if this is viewed as a mistake by Washington or it is exactly what they want.

I think it is a disaster and it is a disaster firmly in the lap of Washington, London and Paris just as much as it is the fault of the gulf Arabs.

That Putin looks like the sane one shows how badly our Western leaders have done. Putin is not or should not be the good guy but Putin is pushing for the firm hand of order over the free hand of democracy in regions that can't handle it.

And that is another thing that has to be forced down reluctant throats - this notion that democracy is for everybody. We hear plenty of liberals and even conservatives push that idea but for nations that are split along ethnic/religious lines it is almost an unworkable system.

Some one or group (there has to be a clique of these similar minded people) has to be made to account for these foreign policy failures that are spanning almost 2 decades now.

By the way, I notice the same people hot to push out Saddam or Assad could care less about Middle Eastern Christians as long as their policy goals are met. Hell, maybe the powers that be in Washington of the gulf states or wherever want the eastern Christians dead and gone because they were the base of the Ba'athist movements and need to be genocided to clear the way for whatever they have planned.

60 posted on 09/23/2015 7:52:34 AM PDT by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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