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Gut Check: Trump's Plus, And Minus
Breitbart.com ^ | September 21, 2015 | Greg Gutfield

Posted on 09/21/2015 12:21:47 PM PDT by Biggirl

Let’s begin with the late Andrew Breitbart’s often repeated quote: "Politics is downstream from culture." Meaning, culture influences politics, not the reverse – and until conservatives figure out a way to take the culture back from the left, we cannot win.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: andrewbreitbart; gop; trump
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1 posted on 09/21/2015 12:21:47 PM PDT by Biggirl
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To: Biggirl

It starts with language. They have hijacked words like “gay” and other verbiage that allows them to paints conservatives as boorish, racist, neanderthals to the great unwashed masses.


2 posted on 09/21/2015 12:23:43 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Biggirl

Good post, interesting take, not all positive nor all negative.


3 posted on 09/21/2015 12:35:12 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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To: Servant of the Cross; CatherineofAragon
PING for very balanced and unique take. And IMO, here's the money line:

But the biggest laugh is watching the right’s most ideological and angry embrace the party’s least ideological candidate since forever.

To me, that's the biggest danger, not the biggest laugh, but point made.

4 posted on 09/21/2015 12:35:12 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

We have too many people who think the best way to get a conservative government is to turn a blind eye to the facts that prove Trump isn’t a conservative. They want to just give up any scrutiny of his record, ignore his inexperience, turn his vices and gaffes into virtues (he’s great when he’s insulting people, that’s manly), and don’t even mention his personal lack of character. It’s the weirdest thing I’ve seen when the conservative movement decides it wants a liberal turned-conservative overnight to lead it.


5 posted on 09/21/2015 12:45:02 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Biggirl

I agree with his basic premise: it’s getting to be time for Trump to move past the sweeping cult of personality generalizations and delve into the details a bit. I think he’s got the brains to do it, just needs to study up a bit. His immigration plan was written by Jess Sessions; it answers all questions, but Trump doesn’t seem to have committed it to memory as of yet. There’s still time though . . .


6 posted on 09/21/2015 12:46:47 PM PDT by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: elhombrelibre

You’re missing the bigger point: conservatives hate the direction of the country so much that they’re willing to take a risk on someone who might not deliver, but who they perceive is actually willing to fight.

It’s a dangerous time in politics. When people decide that they’d rather lose than see their opposition win, then you’re not too far from a Bosnia situation.


7 posted on 09/21/2015 12:56:22 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Voting is like choosing whether you'd prefer the crips or MS-13 to take over your neighborhood.)
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To: elhombrelibre

It is time for a winner who believes in America.


8 posted on 09/21/2015 1:05:55 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

“...conservatives hate the direction of the country so much that they’re willing to take a risk on someone who might not deliver, but who they perceive is actually willing to fight...”

That’s a great point!


9 posted on 09/21/2015 1:17:46 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: Biggirl

Ideological “purity” only exists in the lockstep Left. In any case, with America on the precipice, I am willing to settle for a president who is:

#1: Born and raised an American

#2: Loves America and the American people

#3: Stands up to our greatest enemy: The Media

#4: Can defeat the Democrats, which becomes more of a demographic impossibility with each passing day.

#5: Will close the borders


10 posted on 09/21/2015 1:55:42 PM PDT by TTFlyer
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To: elhombrelibre

Works for me. Love Trump.


11 posted on 09/21/2015 2:35:52 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: elhombrelibre
Sorry, it's been proven beyond dispute that trying to get conservative government from GOP politicians is destined to fail.

Is support for Trump an act of desperation? Yes, it is.

Whose fault is that?

12 posted on 09/21/2015 2:55:23 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; Servant of the Cross; elhombrelibre
"But the biggest laugh is watching the right’s most ideological and angry embrace the party’s least ideological candidate since forever."

"To me, that's the biggest danger, not the biggest laugh, but point made."

Agreed. I think Thomas Sowell said it, too.

Also, toward the end of the article:

"If a contestant says “No, hire me first, before I prove myself,” Donald would show him the door. Yet, that’s his own strategy now, as he runs for president.

He’s saying, “We got problems, and if you elect me I’ll fix them. I’ll hire the people.” That’s not enough. There’s too much at risk to trust a promise like that."

13 posted on 09/21/2015 4:40:27 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ("A real conservative will bear the scars...he will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz)
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To: CatherineofAragon
Ridiculous, Trump wants a wall, I want a wall. Trump wants to kick out illegals, I want to kick out illegals, Trump wants to end the insane trade practices of the USA, I want to end those insane trade practices also, Trunp is not PC, I am not PC..

He staked virgin territory that was there for the grabbing.

14 posted on 09/21/2015 4:44:26 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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"Ridiculous, Trump wants a wall, I want a wall. Trump wants to kick out illegals, I want to kick out illegals, Trump wants to end the insane trade practices of the USA, I want to end those insane trade practices also, Trunp is not PC, I am not PC."

Are there any PC people on this forum? If there are, I've not encountered them.

Central, you're admitting that you're doing the exact thing Gutfeld described, and I excerpted. You're trusting a lifelong liberal with absolutely no record of conservatism, who suddenly SAYS he's a conservative and is going to do all these magical things.

With no thought toward vetting or toward the man's history, you have blindly accepted his promises as gospel because he's saying what you want to hear.

I agree with Gutfeld...it's too risky and there's too much at stake.

"He staked virgin territory that was there for the grabbing."

Not really. He just did it more loudly. Cruz has been calling for a border wall since 2012, at least. He's anti-amnesty and anti-path to citizenship.

I'd like to kick out every illegal, too, but it isn't going to happen, no matter how many times Trump tells you it will..."it's gonna be great!"

Take away their freebies and benefits and they'll leave.

15 posted on 09/21/2015 5:08:09 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ("A real conservative will bear the scars...he will have been in the trenches fighting."--- Ted Cruz)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
>> PING for very balanced and unique take <<

Agreed.

In fact, I gotta say it's actually rather profound, especially when one considers that it's written by a guy who IMO comes across most times on TV as an unserious jerk and virtually a total cynic.

(As an aside, I'm wondering how this essay got thru the editorial filters at Breitbart.com, since that site has recently seemed to be a hotbed of adulation for DT. Moreover, I can't imagine Andrew Breitbart would be altogether pleased by the usually-uncritical Trump coverage that of late has characterized the eponymous site he founded.)

16 posted on 09/21/2015 6:01:35 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: CatherineofAragon
Central, you're admitting that you're doing the exact thing Gutfeld described, and I excerpted. You're trusting a lifelong liberal with absolutely no record of conservatism, who suddenly SAYS he's a conservative and is going to do all these magical things.

I am gambling on Trump because the other candidates will never deliver those things.

I agree with Gutfeld...it's too risky and there's too much at stake.

Gutfield is an idiot, agree with him all you want.

Trump says he is a Conservative and SO DOES BUSH! Ones a liar the other is a hypocrite. So it comes down to a choice between a liar and hypocrite, which is which.

Cruz is an H-1B pimp that I will never vote for. He is a polished turd, his wife is the ultimate corporate insider.

I am jaded and cynical, that I will admit. But I am that way for a good reason. I cannot change the way things are but voting for Trump is a vote against everything that is wrong here.

17 posted on 09/21/2015 6:48:08 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Biggirl
But the biggest laugh is watching the right’s most ideological and angry embrace the party’s least ideological candidate since forever.

Gutfield is ignoring the whale in the aquarium. The conservative base has gotten a middle finger salute from the GOP for at least the last 8 years, and many conservatives see that track record going much further back.

So, the base's ideological base is now basically pissed off. And the base has decided that the GOP is willfully lying to them, that the party has no intention to fulfill any conservative promises, and that a non-ideological firebrand that has a track record of doing what he says (albeit not in politics) is worth blowing up the GOP.

Because blowing up the GOPe has become a conservative ideal.

18 posted on 09/21/2015 6:55:04 PM PDT by MortMan (The rule of law is now the law of rulings - Judicial, IRS, EPA...)
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To: MortMan

I’m not a Conservative anymore, I am not Republican anymore. What I am is a cynical, vindictive asshole and I want it all destroyed. Start over, If Trump is the man then so be it.


19 posted on 09/21/2015 6:59:24 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
I want it all destroyed. Start over, If Trump is the man then so be it.

There it is. The reason for Trump's success. And the 'fault' lies entirely at the feet of the weak, effeminate, corrupt putrid gOpee ...


20 posted on 09/22/2015 4:26:13 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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