Posted on 09/19/2015 6:13:19 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
And technical distinctions are made pertinent here:
Parables are extended figures of comparison that often use short stories to teach a truth or answer a question. While the story in a parable is not historical, it is true to life, not a fairy tale. As a form of oral literature, the parable exploits realistic situations but makes effective use of the imagination. Jesus frequently composed parables in His teaching ministry (see Mark 4:34) and used them in response to specific situations and challenges.
His parables are drawn from the spheres of domestic and family life as well as business and political affairs. He used imagery that was familiar to His hearers to guide them to the unfamiliar. Some of the parables were designed to reveal mysteries to those on the inside and to conceal the truth to those on the outside who would not hear (Matt. 13:10-17; Mark 4:10-12). This was especially true of the parables that related to the kingdom of God. However, other parables like the parable of the good Samaritan (Luke 10:25- 37) and the parable of the landowner (Matt. 21:33-46) could be grasped by unbelievers. — https://bible.org/seriespage/iv-literary-forms-bible
Parables are short stories that are told in order to get a point across and occur in both testaments of the Bible. The word "parable" (Gk. parabole) was generally used in reference to any short narrative that had symbolic meaning (Louw & Nida 1989, p. 391). There are many stories and saying of Jesus in the New Testament that are identified as parables, but not all of these are parables in the true sense. The Good Samaritan (Luke 10:30-35) may be regarded as a true parable because it is a complete story with a beginning, ending and plot, but the Leaven in the Meal is a similitude, "You are the salt of the earth" is a metaphor and "Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes" is an epigram (Fee & Stuart 1993, p. 136-137). When "parable" is used in this section it refers to the true parables. - — http://hermeneutics.kulikovskyonline.net/hermeneutics/parab.htm.
[[Now where have we seen that blasphemy before?]]
[[Arrogance]]
[[Yes, satan used the same methodology]]
[[What a disgusting twisted mind your religion has left you with]]
[[And you seemed like such a nice poster]]
Wish I could say the same for you- have a nice day
Thank you. Good information, and much appreciated. :)
Peace,
SR
“School me even though this conversation isn’t about the original comment chap and verse please. The Holy spirit remains in believers though we sin.”
Sorry been out of pocket. Ok you avoided my question, but now your back to the original question. I’ll say it again I completely agree that no power to include Satan or man can pluck you out of the Father’s hand, but You, yourself, your own person, or your own spirit can give your Salvation back.
Please look at the sower of seed story Luke 8:4-21 the seed that fell and was eaten by the birds represents people that don’t accept the Gospel, but the remainder have accepted the Good News. Some don’t last long at all some a little longer and well some produce fruit. Again please don’t think that I’m saying that the Devil can pluck you out of God’s hands, but to say that once saved all behavior of unrepentant sin will be forgiven is just wrong. God Bless
Zombies we are not, sower of the seed story completely disagrees with you.
Sorry life moves. Please look at the sower of seed story Luke 8:4-21 the seed that fell and was eaten by the birds represents people that don’t accept the Gospel, but the remainder have accepted the Good News. Some don’t last long at all some a little longer and well some produce fruit. Again please don’t think that I’m saying that the Devil can pluck you out of God’s hands, but to say that once saved all behavior of unrepentant sin will be forgiven is just wrong. God Bless
That said, what do you think of my strong recommendation that you meditate extensively on Eph. 2:8-9?
Being and AG major, a farmer and rancher I will disagree with you on the the “never adequately alive in the first place”. So a (seed) egg and (seed) sperm come together and is planted (womb or soil) and divides (germinates) that isn’t the beginning of life? Wow it grows and whether it makes it to one day or to a hundred it had life. So your saying that abortion is ok because the life didn’t live adequately. Being born “AGAIN” doesn’t refer to age, but to the act thereof.
Eph 2:8-9
Yes Grace a free gift given whether you accept it or not. Every person that has heard the message of Jesus Christ has had the opportunity to accept that Grace or reject it free will.
“multiple interpretations”
Multiple interpretations, No, but multiple applications yes.
Several points I want ot leave this thread with because people have the impression I am claiming Christ intentionally deceived people- And that is NOT what I was getting at at all- There have been some very angry people on this thread who insist Jesus wouldn’t do something ‘because He never had before’ Yet He set presidencies ALL the time- And those claiming He wouldn’t use something false in order to bring a spiritual lesson can’t tell you whether He actually infact told His audience that the=at was not how heaven and hell are going to be- These folks would also claim Christ would have told US too- yet the rest of God’s word (which they didn’t have back then) Tells us that Hell is a complete separation from God- that there is no crossable gulf, that it is forbidden to talk to the dead- on and on it goes- and the bible does NOT teach that people can be prayed out of a ‘first death’ as the MYTh taught by the Pharisees suggest.
The paradise Christ spoke of was the presence of God- not a holding ground outside of the kingdom of Heaven like in the myth- The kingdom of God has the tree of life in the garden with a river running through it- The Paradise of Myth does not- it is outside of the kingdom of God- many claiming it’s on earth while sheol is under the earth (That’s how they explain away the distance and the ability of the two sides to speak together)
Christ no more ‘deceived people’ by using the Pharisees own Myth against them, and turning it completely around to give life/spiritual lessons based on the myth, and He did when He said the sun rose in e east set in the west, or when the parable was given of trees electing a king for themselves- Or when He compared himself to things like vine, bread, wine etc- He was no more deceiving people than when God said “The 4 corners of the earth”, no any other ‘scientific error’ He might have said (Using common phrases or EVEN CONCEPTS EVEN IF they mythological in nature, in order to bring life/spiritual lessons to those who believe, is NOT speaking or teaching ‘scientific error’
I was accused of being ‘arrogant’ ‘obtuse’ ‘sick’ twisted’ etc- but the plain fact of the matter is that this issue about the parable of the rich man has been HEAVILY debated all down through the ages by many rock solid preachers, commentators, theologians, scholars- To state that I am sick and twisted simply because I relay what these people have taught, ESPECIALLY after I’ve stated that fact several times, IS the very definition or arrogance and obtuseness- To declare that the opposing view on THIS issue is cultish is completely uncalled for! To claim I am cultish because I subscribe to these views is Uncalled For!
There are many good reasons to think that This parable is NOT using a literal act that happened I nthe past, but rather is a purely fictional scene to teach a life/spiritual lesson JUST LIKE it is purely fictional to teach that trees elect a king’- yet the message is clear- and nooen would take EITHER o the scenarios literally, and there are only really two weak reason why you would think it’s an actual event or based on reality- 1: Christ never did it before, so therefore He’s prevented from ever doing so’ and 2: Christ would not teach ‘scientific error’- but we’ve seen that this is simply not true- My opponent tried to wave it away by claiming it was nothing ore than folk tale, or whatever he called it- but there are the facts folks-
[[2: Christ would not teach ‘scientific error’- but we’ve seen that this is simply not true- My opponent tried to wave it away by claiming it was nothing ore than folk tale, or whatever he called it- but there are the facts folks-]]
Let me clarify that, so that there is no confusion- Teaching, using something that isn’t a literal act, process, or object is NOT “teaching Scientific error”, No more so than Any metaphor that uses myth or fiction is ‘teaching that the fiction is truth’ they are simply life/spiritual lessons and nothing more- most people understand this-
God was NOT teaching the people that trees elect kings, nor Was Christ teaching the people that His body was made of bread and wine- if we are going to assign the term ‘scientific error’ to the parable of rich man, then we must do so for all the parables that used metaphors- metaphors used in parables were based on things that aren’t true- it is NOT true that Christ’s body is made of bread- no more so than the idea that people can be prayed out of purgatory, or cross the divide, or that paradise is a place outside of God’s kingdom-
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