Posted on 09/10/2015 10:01:51 AM PDT by Morgana
The most recent video from The Center for Medical Progress continues to contradict Planned Parenthoods claims that the money they receive for harvested fetal body parts is nothing more than reasonably allowed compensation for things like storage and shipping.
In the full footage, Perrin Larton, head of procurement services for Advanced Bioscience Resources (ABR), admits to the prospective buyer that while ABR does not consent patients, their own technicians do the rest of the work
(ABR) We are totally not involved in the clinical work at all. The clinic does all the consenting. The only thing we do is after procedure we will draw blood from the donating mother if you need serology testing, thats all we do with the patient Were usually standing right outside the door and were in the lab area then we get the tissue, doctor makes sure the termination is complete we have it immediately after . (Full footage, 16:10)
Statements from former StemExpress employee Holly ODonnell also support the fact that trained procurement technicians do the dirty work of harvesting fetal organs at abortion clinics.
Larton later reiterates that ABR has someone on site when abortion procedures are done therefore, any shipping, transportation or staffing costs to the clinic would be nonexistent:
(ABR) Every Saturday we have somebody there There is one doctor that works there that doesnt dig [use digoxin] until 22 [weeks], so youd be able to get a little bit larger tissue . (Full footage, 19:00)
Later, when discussing how soon after an abortion the fetal body parts are ready to ship to researchers, Larton notes that because ABR technicians are on-site, it only takes five minutes to get them out the door:
Buyer: How long from cessation of circulation?
ABR: That we send the tissue to you?
Buyer: Yeah.
ABR: Immediate- like I said, were in the lab, so they bring it out, within five minutes, where we have the media and its ready to go out the door. Yeah. (Full footage, 20:09)
So to recap: A fetal procurement technician, not employed by the abortion clinic, retrieves fetal body parts and within five minutes is able to ship them to researchers who contract with them. The clinic does nothing so why are they receiving, as Planned Parenthood claims, from $30 to 100 per specimen?
Deborah_Nucatola3_810_500_55_s_c1As I noted in a previous post, Planned Parenthood attorney Roger Evans sent a letter to Congress in July, attempting to explain the statements of Dr. Deborah Nucatola, PPs Medical Director, which were heard in CMPs first video:
At one point, Dr. Nucatola stated that the reimbursement of costs for a tissue specimen could be between $30 and $100. This statement by Dr. Nucatola was immediately followed by an explanation that the amount had to be based on the clinics costs, which is what the law allows.
As Dr. Nucatola explained, It just has to do with space issues, are you sending someone there whos going to be doing everything, is there shipping involved, is somebody going to have to take it out. [I]ts really just about if anyone were ever to ask them, well what do you do for this $60, how can you justify that? So it just needs to be justifiable.
To address these points:
Space issues This doesnt appear to be discussed much in CMPs undercover videos, except in the case of Dr. Savita Ginde from Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains, who is more than willing to accommodate prospective fetal body parts harvesters in her lab. There is even some discussion of refrigeration for fetal parts for research but Ginde says they already have freezers and refrigerators, so its no problem at all:
Ginde: It would great if we could collect the stuff and put it in, we have freezers, we have refrigerators, where we could get-
Buyer: Ok, that seems like a hassle, again, not wanting you to bear any of that. So, obviously compensation for that would be higher. We would bear the cost of that, even if its just a little area that we own for that- not that we own.
Ginde: Yea. Yea.
Ginde: So, if we had a refrigerator, we would probably keep it in your [J.R.s] office with the other refrigerators that we have for studies. That way its all in one place. (Transcript, p. 11)
ginde2. Is there shipping involved Dr. Gindes clinic is different; its not local to the procurement company. Its in Colorado, so what about the shipping? Again, not a problem, according to Dr. Ginde, who says any space for packaging [or] boxes would be easily figure[d] out and would not present a problem. And Melissa Farrell from Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast admitted on tape that sponsors set up a FedEx account for us, so all the clinic must do is put everything in and print up the air bill and slap it on. In arrangements like this, the sponsors would be the ones paying for the shipping.
3. Sending someone whos going to be doing everything
The clear answer to this is yes. Both ABR and StemExpress have, in their own words, stated that their own technicians are the ones who enter the abortion clinics and perform all tasks aside from patient consenting. (Another procurement company, Novogenix, has actually been mentioned as being involved in the consenting of patients as well.) These technicians are working at the expense of the procurement company:
Buyer: So what we would need is we would need a technician, whether one of our people that weve sent out or someone that weve trained, you know, 1099 or whatever. We need a trained technician who is in the pathlab to receive the specimen. They can do, probably I think, most of your typical processing with it anyway, to strain it out, float it in the dish, make sure everything is there, whoever is around can swing by and take a quick look for arms, legs, cal, all of that. And then our tech would have a little pick, not like an ice pick haha. Just like a little rod to poke around with plus some tweezers. (Transcript, p. 9)
So even in this case, where the procurement company is not local to the abortion clinic, they will foot the bill to either train someone or send someone in (1099 forms are for independent contractors). The abortion clinic is not expected to pay for this, so again exactly what is being compensated?
4. Is somebody going to have to take it out If Nucatola meant take it out as in shipping a FedEx box (which more than one PP employee has stated would be easily dropped off on their way home from work), then $30-100 in compensation would not be considered reasonable compensation for mileage or time. If she meant taking out the actual organs themselves, it is clear by now that outside technicians do this work.
Again, taking all of Nucatolas points into consideration, we see that $30-100 dollars is indeed, as CMPs David Daleiden stated, criminal profit for Planned Parenthood:
ABR [Advanced Bioscience Resources] handles all dissection, packaging, and shipping of fetal organs and tissues, and so it is unclear for what PPPS could be receiving reimbursement. This is especially suspicious given that Ms. [Cecile] Richards [PPs president and CEO] says the $60 fee is paid per tissue specimen. Thus, if ABR harvests a liver and a thymus, a common fetal tissue order, from an 18-week fetus aborted at the San Diego clinic, Planned Parenthood receives a total payment of $120 from that case.
It stretches credulity to believe that ABRs technician harvesting two organs from a fetus costs Planned Parenthood $120this is a new revenue stream off of fetal tissue with no real cost to Planned Parenthood, and thus a criminal profit.
Planned Parenthood, in typical fashion, distorts language to its own benefit. Specimen procurement is called stem cell research. Selling organs is called research. And criminal profit is called reimbursement and compensation.
Princeton bioethics professor Robert George agrees:
A lot of people have become concerned that people have found end runs around the no sale of fetal tissue and body parts aspect of the law .They charge or overcharge for producing body parts, shipping and handling, managing the body parts, and so forth.
This has become selling while pretending not to sell.
As abortionist Dr. Savita Ginde stated, Its all lingo, right?
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A country that can’t feel outrage over this is a country that is rapidly racing towards its extinction.
Even so, so what. Ghouls and murderers they remain.
Is this like money paid by Arab thugs for Hillary’s ‘speeches’ weren’t bribes?
So I’ve talked to Christians about this. They tell me “Morgana why are you so upset about it?” (I was crying at the time, having a near breakdown) This one person told me “there is nothing we can do about it”.
That is their attitude! “there is nothing we can do about it”. People are upset but have a defeated? attitude?
People don’t even try.
I’ll bet that those in the fuzzy middle or those who say they are against abortion but feel “nothing can be done” are also those who’ll refuse to watch the PP videos.
It really annoys me that the writers of these articles keep using the title "Dr." with these ghouls. They should be referred to only as "abortionist."
Yes, technically, they do have a medical degree which confers the title of "Dr." But their use of that education renders them unworthy to use that title. Most of us who earn the right to be addressed as "Dr." actually got our educations with the intent of devoting our lives for the betterment of humanity--not of becoming serial murderers who place themselves above the law by calling themselves "doctors." I really dislike that the reputations of ethical people like myself are being tainted by association in this manner.
All cash is fungible, by definition. Any dollar paid to PP is a dollar destined to fund an abortion. Also, there is nothing in the definition of the word “sell” that requires making a profit. So, their claim to not using the money to fund additional abortions is patently false, just like everything else those butchers say.
I think that it will be discovered that procurement companies pay the clinics for facilities that they might use at the clinics say an office, a telephone, office equipment or a refrigerator all at probably exorbitant rates.
They kill unborn babies. But they give away the byproducts and the recipient pays shipping and handling.
That's supposed to make it all OK?
So killing babies is OK as long as they sell the byproducts at cost rather than profiteering? Is that their position?
Excellent post.
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